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Wow, that is a massive 'fuck you' to the next generation in terms of climate impact.

Shadonototra 5y ago
i disagree, it is actually super optimized, food delivery, food cooking, waste management and ton of other stuff i wonder if a nuclear proposed ship would be a solution to make it carbon neutral in the future
- jacquesm 5y ago
  You missed the 'nearly indentured servitude of the larger portion of the crew'. https://www.cruiselawnews.com/2016/06/articles/crew-member-rights/seven-ways-cruise-lines-are-screwing-crew-members/ https://www.cruiselawnews.com/2016/06/articles/crew-member-r...
- hh3k0 5y ago
  > I disagree, it is actually super optimized […] Well, you live in fantasy land then. > One study found that passengers on a seven-day Antarctic cruise cause as much CO2 to be released as the average European over the course of an entire year. […] While cruise vessels represent only a fraction of the global shipping industry, they account for around a quarter of all the waste produced by the sector, the review found. https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/cruise-ships-climate-health-impacts-b1928659.html https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/cruise-shi...
  - Shadonototra 5y ago
    i was talking about the life on the ship, not the carbon footprint of the ship in a city, each individuals uses their car to go buy food, then come back home and use car to go do their other activities, then cook things at home, wasting a ton of resources and producing ton of useless waste something that doesn't happen if you are living on a ship where everything is optimized for the group hence why i then mention if using nuclear propulsion would help fix the latter problem, like submarines
  - Turing_Machine 5y ago
    > One study found that passengers on a seven-day Antarctic cruise cause as much CO2 to be released as the average European over the course of an entire year. There are, what, maybe a few thousand people who do an Antarctic cruise every year? The EU has a population of about 450 million. The climate does not care one bit about per capita emissions, only total emissions.
wing-_-nuts 5y ago
You can't legislate morality, you can only price externalities. Add a hefty carbon tax and I'd bet that'd change the calculus a bit.
- malermeister 5y ago
  > You can't legislate morality Why not? That seems like a big statement to make without any reasoning to back it up.
  - wing-_-nuts 5y ago
    https://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question95438.html https://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question95438.html
stocknoob 5y ago
Yeah, we’re going to solve the climate crisis by taking less cruises, and not reworking our transportation, energy, and agriculture industries. If you don’t have kids (or have one fewer) you can do whatever you want with regards to climate change.
irrational 5y ago
Doesn’t this imply they have given even a seconds consideration to following generations? I bet they haven’t. Soon they will die and simply cease to exist. Why would they care if humanity continues on after them? From their perspective, humanity will completely cease to exist at the moment of their death.

i disagree, it is actually super optimized, food delivery, food cooking, waste management and ton of other stuff i wonder if a nuclear proposed ship would be a solution to make it carbon neutral in the future

jacquesm 5y ago
You missed the 'nearly indentured servitude of the larger portion of the crew'. https://www.cruiselawnews.com/2016/06/articles/crew-member-rights/seven-ways-cruise-lines-are-screwing-crew-members/ https://www.cruiselawnews.com/2016/06/articles/crew-member-r...
hh3k0 5y ago
> I disagree, it is actually super optimized […] Well, you live in fantasy land then. > One study found that passengers on a seven-day Antarctic cruise cause as much CO2 to be released as the average European over the course of an entire year. […] While cruise vessels represent only a fraction of the global shipping industry, they account for around a quarter of all the waste produced by the sector, the review found. https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/cruise-ships-climate-health-impacts-b1928659.html https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/cruise-shi...
- Shadonototra 5y ago
  i was talking about the life on the ship, not the carbon footprint of the ship in a city, each individuals uses their car to go buy food, then come back home and use car to go do their other activities, then cook things at home, wasting a ton of resources and producing ton of useless waste something that doesn't happen if you are living on a ship where everything is optimized for the group hence why i then mention if using nuclear propulsion would help fix the latter problem, like submarines
- Turing_Machine 5y ago
  > One study found that passengers on a seven-day Antarctic cruise cause as much CO2 to be released as the average European over the course of an entire year. There are, what, maybe a few thousand people who do an Antarctic cruise every year? The EU has a population of about 450 million. The climate does not care one bit about per capita emissions, only total emissions.

wing-_-nuts 5y ago

You can't legislate morality, you can only price externalities. Add a hefty carbon tax and I'd bet that'd change the calculus a bit.

malermeister 5y ago
> You can't legislate morality Why not? That seems like a big statement to make without any reasoning to back it up.
- wing-_-nuts 5y ago
  https://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question95438.html https://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question95438.html

stocknoob 5y ago

Yeah, we’re going to solve the climate crisis by taking less cruises, and not reworking our transportation, energy, and agriculture industries. If you don’t have kids (or have one fewer) you can do whatever you want with regards to climate change.

irrational 5y ago

Doesn’t this imply they have given even a seconds consideration to following generations? I bet they haven’t. Soon they will die and simply cease to exist. Why would they care if humanity continues on after them? From their perspective, humanity will completely cease to exist at the moment of their death.