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> Also WFH tends to discriminate people doing "less important" jobs, You are mixing pandemic with WFH. When you work, you still need childcare and otherwise be

> Also WFH tends to discriminate people doing "less important" jobs, You are mixing pandemic with WFH. When you work, you still need childcare and otherwise be working. Doing chores and house work during breaks is a nice “perk” that saves me time, but it must not come at the expense of the work itself, just like it would not with WFO. If anything, WFH has been more inclusive as many other comments have said, especially of people that don’t like direct “confrontation” of large meetings and “loudest first” prioritization. Video conf chat has become a valuable and documentable discussion medium that can include comment not urgent enough to interrupt the speaker in the moment, but still useful to the overall context. I hope some of these inclusive benefits are retained with hybrid or whatever approaches are utilized for work in the future. Another interesting inclusivity question is the location itself. People tend to congregate by common traits, so locating an office in a given neighborhood or city implicitly discriminates those groups who do not have a large presence nearby. Remote definitely allows (but importantly does not guarantee) a much more diverse employee population and greater fairness in access to these jobs. There are of course counter points with availability of working space and internet connection, so this is a very complex issue.

peoplefromibiza 5y ago
> You are mixing pandemic with WFH No, I am not. > oing chores and house work during breaks is a nice “perk” that saves me time, but it must not come at the expense of the work itself, just like it would not with WFO If people are home, they can be pressured to do more, because they literally have more time to do them and are literally physically available for exploitation. Simple as that. > If anything, WFH has been more inclusive as many other comments have said You are mixing self segregation with inclusiveness. > Video conf chat has become a valuable and documentable discussion medium that can include Only if you sell video chat software. Least path of resistance states that video chats pose less barriers, so you're making more of them and they end up lasting longer than before. It also enables more monitoring from management and the idea that workers are always available. (guess who's not saying no to the boss? the more vulnerable or the less vulnerable?) Again: it's been observed.
- sologoub 5y ago
  Care to include sources for any of these claims that you say have been observed? I definitely don’t sell software, but I do see it as my responsibility to make sure all of my team members are heard. On the exploitation, unfortunately domestic abuse is possible regardless of work styles and homes are not always the safe space we expect them to be. That problem exists with or without ability to work remotely. Society and employers should be aware of that and have means of helping those affected. There are many great NGOs and non-profits doing great work in this area and I’d encourage all of us to donate more to such causes and do volunteer work. EDIT: On self segregation, that may have started that way, but demanding that people leave family ties and their friends to move for job opportunities is not all that positive either. Give people a choice and the ability to, but don’t require it. That is much friendlier and fairer.

peoplefromibiza 5y ago

> You are mixing pandemic with WFH No, I am not. > oing chores and house work during breaks is a nice “perk” that saves me time, but it must not come at the expense of the work itself, just like it would not with WFO If people are home, they can be pressured to do more, because they literally have more time to do them and are literally physically available for exploitation. Simple as that. > If anything, WFH has been more inclusive as many other comments have said You are mixing self segregation with inclusiveness. > Video conf chat has become a valuable and documentable discussion medium that can include Only if you sell video chat software. Least path of resistance states that video chats pose less barriers, so you're making more of them and they end up lasting longer than before. It also enables more monitoring from management and the idea that workers are always available. (guess who's not saying no to the boss? the more vulnerable or the less vulnerable?) Again: it's been observed.

sologoub 5y ago
Care to include sources for any of these claims that you say have been observed? I definitely don’t sell software, but I do see it as my responsibility to make sure all of my team members are heard. On the exploitation, unfortunately domestic abuse is possible regardless of work styles and homes are not always the safe space we expect them to be. That problem exists with or without ability to work remotely. Society and employers should be aware of that and have means of helping those affected. There are many great NGOs and non-profits doing great work in this area and I’d encourage all of us to donate more to such causes and do volunteer work. EDIT: On self segregation, that may have started that way, but demanding that people leave family ties and their friends to move for job opportunities is not all that positive either. Give people a choice and the ability to, but don’t require it. That is much friendlier and fairer.