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> What is the tenability of cities without fossil fuels? I think we do know, it's really the cities that collapse. I walk everywhere. It's suburbs that collap

> What is the tenability of cities without fossil fuels? I think we do know, it's really the cities that collapse. I walk everywhere. It's suburbs that collapse without fossil fuels. > How does public transit work? Generally speaking they are all diesel. Do we have a plan to spend a trillion $ converting this all to electric? Our subways have always been electric. Our street cars are electric, and have been for a century, before that they were horse driven. All new buses are electric. > What's even the point of giant office buildings anymore? Downtown cores are dying if not dead as it is. This is probably true. > I really dont think we have quite thought out the consequences of our actions. The consequences of NOT following these actions will horrific.

incomingpain 5y ago
>I walk everywhere. It's suburbs that collapse without fossil fuels. I think shooting from the hip the suburbs hurt without fossil fuels for a short time. However, who are the people buying teslas it's rich folks in the suburbs. Who in 10 years will be driving the gasoline toyota econobox. It's the poor in the cities. >Our subways have always been electric. That doesnt cover everything. Not all cities have a subway. Not all subways are electric, the danger of frying people made a number of subways diesel. My understanding is that much of NYC subway is still diesel for various reasons. > Our street cars are electric, and have been for a century, before that they were horse driven. All new buses are electric. I'm not sure I follow. This is certainly not true in the general sense. Perhaps true where you are? Where are you? >The consequences of NOT following these actions will horrific. That's the big debate there. Climate change isn't even important to the discussion. If we fast forward ~75 years. We know without question that we are going to run out of fossil fuels. If we do nothing to switch now, it's a certain collapse of society. Clearly we must do something. The sooner we begin, the less painful it is in the long run. However, we cannot ignore the consequences. We must address these issues.
- afiori 5y ago
  > much of NYC subway is still diesel for various reasons NYC subway still uses cloth bathed in oil to insulate some electrical circuits.
- Ensorceled 5y ago
  > That doesnt cover everything. Not all cities have a subway. Not all subways are electric, the danger of frying people made a number of subways diesel. My understanding is that much of NYC subway is still diesel for various reasons. I'm disputing YOUR generalization, that [all] cities are doomed, not creating a new generalization that they are all fine.

incomingpain 5y ago

>I walk everywhere. It's suburbs that collapse without fossil fuels. I think shooting from the hip the suburbs hurt without fossil fuels for a short time. However, who are the people buying teslas it's rich folks in the suburbs. Who in 10 years will be driving the gasoline toyota econobox. It's the poor in the cities. >Our subways have always been electric. That doesnt cover everything. Not all cities have a subway. Not all subways are electric, the danger of frying people made a number of subways diesel. My understanding is that much of NYC subway is still diesel for various reasons. > Our street cars are electric, and have been for a century, before that they were horse driven. All new buses are electric. I'm not sure I follow. This is certainly not true in the general sense. Perhaps true where you are? Where are you? >The consequences of NOT following these actions will horrific. That's the big debate there. Climate change isn't even important to the discussion. If we fast forward ~75 years. We know without question that we are going to run out of fossil fuels. If we do nothing to switch now, it's a certain collapse of society. Clearly we must do something. The sooner we begin, the less painful it is in the long run. However, we cannot ignore the consequences. We must address these issues.

afiori 5y ago
> much of NYC subway is still diesel for various reasons NYC subway still uses cloth bathed in oil to insulate some electrical circuits.
Ensorceled 5y ago
> That doesnt cover everything. Not all cities have a subway. Not all subways are electric, the danger of frying people made a number of subways diesel. My understanding is that much of NYC subway is still diesel for various reasons. I'm disputing YOUR generalization, that [all] cities are doomed, not creating a new generalization that they are all fine.