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"Get in touch" for signup does not seem like a rival to AWS.

by mkj 5y ago

junon 5y ago
Very German. Tech companies here don't like open signups. I have absolutely no idea why. Not a single SaaS startup I've worked for or have worked with here has had open signups.
- trh0awayman 5y ago
  I think that's because there is no real "open signup" for starting a company here, either. It's not like people here are legally allowed to try out a business before officially starting it - that would be highly illegal. In the US, you can spin up and spin down businesses the way you would an AWS VM. That, and Germans value contracts/stability over many other things - including the customers themselves.
  - junon 5y ago
    None of what you said about companies is true in Germany. You're able to sign up for a company Steuernummer easier than in the US, in fact.
    - trh0awayman 5y ago
      A tax ID is not a company. I've started companies in both countries - the burden and costs of starting and running one in Germany is far higher. In the US, I can start selling muffins, wooden furniture, whatever to my friends, family, and neighbors without doing anything. I can walk into a local grocery store and convince the owner to carry my products. I can test out markets and use Stripe, Paypal, Patreon: any payment service I want without doing a single thing. At most, I just have to pay my taxes at the very end of the year. I can do all that while working 1, even 2 jobs if I want. I can pick up a shift at Uber, then work on my business. You can't just start an Etsy store here. None of those things are possible here and are all underlined by ones appetite for risk. Handling VAT is a literal nightmare. Monthly invoices, dealing with the Finanzamt on a monthly basis for the first year or two. Everything comes with stipulations/exceptions and requires a careful reading of the law - which of course, is impossible for anyone to understand, so you're forced to hire a lawyer. It costs like 20 bucks to dissolve an LLC. How much does it cost to dissolve an UG? I wasn't trying to insinuate that one country is better than another. With the burdens comes stability. My company is rock solid here. There will basically never be a competitor for me, because the burden is too high for anyone to stomach.
bayindirh 5y ago
Oracle's cloud also completes registration and provision by hand. Also, not everyone gets an account. If they can get a decent traction, they can scale-up step by step. Rome didn't got built in a day.
- WatchDog 5y ago
  I’ve signed up for oracle cloud account and started using it without any hand holding.
  - bayindirh 5y ago
    My account provision took almost one day. Some friends' accounts didn't get through and got opened.
  - sergiotapia 5y ago
    Can I ask why you went with Oracle Cloud? It sounds very strange, like onboarding your employees with Blackberry phones.
    - bayindirh 5y ago
      Speedy ARM machines with plenty of resources for free. More than enough to play with hobby stuff and see where ARM is going.
      - sergiotapia 5y ago
        I see, I thought you were using it for business
        bayindirh 5y ago
        Ha, nope. We have enough servers on prem. Colocation/cloud doesn't fit for our stuff (HPC) anyway.
    - charcircuit 5y ago
FlyingSnake 5y ago
Most likely they have a different enterprise sales pipeline for their target audience, e.g. EU Businesses.
jeroenhd 5y ago
The contact form mentions that they're only looking to serve enterprise customers right now, they probably want to prevent small accounts from swamping the system while they're working on expanding their availability.

"Get in touch" for signup does not seem like a rival to AWS.

by mkj 5y ago

"Get in touch" for signup does not seem like a rival to AWS.

Very German. Tech companies here don't like open signups. I have absolutely no idea why. Not a single SaaS startup I've worked for or have worked with here has had open signups.

trh0awayman 5y ago
I think that's because there is no real "open signup" for starting a company here, either. It's not like people here are legally allowed to try out a business before officially starting it - that would be highly illegal. In the US, you can spin up and spin down businesses the way you would an AWS VM. That, and Germans value contracts/stability over many other things - including the customers themselves.
- junon 5y ago
  None of what you said about companies is true in Germany. You're able to sign up for a company Steuernummer easier than in the US, in fact.
  - trh0awayman 5y ago
    A tax ID is not a company. I've started companies in both countries - the burden and costs of starting and running one in Germany is far higher. In the US, I can start selling muffins, wooden furniture, whatever to my friends, family, and neighbors without doing anything. I can walk into a local grocery store and convince the owner to carry my products. I can test out markets and use Stripe, Paypal, Patreon: any payment service I want without doing a single thing. At most, I just have to pay my taxes at the very end of the year. I can do all that while working 1, even 2 jobs if I want. I can pick up a shift at Uber, then work on my business. You can't just start an Etsy store here. None of those things are possible here and are all underlined by ones appetite for risk. Handling VAT is a literal nightmare. Monthly invoices, dealing with the Finanzamt on a monthly basis for the first year or two. Everything comes with stipulations/exceptions and requires a careful reading of the law - which of course, is impossible for anyone to understand, so you're forced to hire a lawyer. It costs like 20 bucks to dissolve an LLC. How much does it cost to dissolve an UG? I wasn't trying to insinuate that one country is better than another. With the burdens comes stability. My company is rock solid here. There will basically never be a competitor for me, because the burden is too high for anyone to stomach.

bayindirh 5y ago

Oracle's cloud also completes registration and provision by hand. Also, not everyone gets an account. If they can get a decent traction, they can scale-up step by step. Rome didn't got built in a day.

WatchDog 5y ago
I’ve signed up for oracle cloud account and started using it without any hand holding.
- bayindirh 5y ago
  My account provision took almost one day. Some friends' accounts didn't get through and got opened.
- sergiotapia 5y ago
  Can I ask why you went with Oracle Cloud? It sounds very strange, like onboarding your employees with Blackberry phones.
  - bayindirh 5y ago
    Speedy ARM machines with plenty of resources for free. More than enough to play with hobby stuff and see where ARM is going.
    - sergiotapia 5y ago
      I see, I thought you were using it for business
      - bayindirh 5y ago
        Ha, nope. We have enough servers on prem. Colocation/cloud doesn't fit for our stuff (HPC) anyway.
  - charcircuit 5y ago

FlyingSnake 5y ago

Most likely they have a different enterprise sales pipeline for their target audience, e.g. EU Businesses.

jeroenhd 5y ago

The contact form mentions that they're only looking to serve enterprise customers right now, they probably want to prevent small accounts from swamping the system while they're working on expanding their availability.