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"I would observe that employing a single militia of people with abhorrent views hardly makes Ukraine at large in need of liberation." My guess is they would th
by native_samples 5y ago
"I would observe that employing a single militia of people with abhorrent views hardly makes Ukraine at large in need of liberation."
My guess is they would then respond by observing that it's not a single group, there is at minimum Azov, Svoboda, and Right Sector, probably more. Azov has rather notoriously been officially integrated into the Ukrainian military so it's unclear if it even makes sense to talk about it as if it were an entirely separate group now. And they would argue that if you indeed thought it was only a single militia then it'd be you under the influence of propaganda, not them, so this would probably backfire.
Now, does this justify 'liberation'. That's indeed a more fruitful ground for discussion. Highlighting the USA/Soviet alliance is maybe a good tactic, albeit it may backfire (perhaps this Russian hated the Soviet Union, a lot did). And it takes you down the more philosophical road, which I recommend, because the actual details of Ukraine are so messy that debating it may not result in the clean outcome you seek.
"I would ask to be educated on the nature of these Nazi militias. Are they members of a party? Is the militia exclusively made up of Nazis? What proportion of the armed forces are they?"
I'm not an expert, have just read a few articles about this (pre 2020). But to answer your questions:
1. Yes, it's called Svoboda. Also, after the 2014 revolution/coup/whatever it was, many were directly appointed to the government by the new president.
"After the coup, the neo-Nazis were awarded for their effectiveness. When "Yats" took power with US support, he appointed neo-Nazis to 4 ministries in his govt. Andriy Parubiy, a founder of Svoboda, and a commandant of the 2014 coup’s "self-defense forces," became the national security chief. Right Sektor and the Azov Battalion were incorporated into the National Guard of the military. Poroshenko, who succeeded Yatsenyuk, praised them as "great warriors" and dispatched them to fight the ethnic Russians and separatists in the Donbas in eastern Ukraine."
https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2022/03/27/msm-cover-up-of-neo-nazis-in-ukraine/ https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2022/03/27/msm-cover-up-of-neo-...
2. Militias like Azov are entirely Nazi, it seems, but are an integrated component of the wider Ukrainian military, which is not. Though I suppose we may wonder how non-Nazi they really are if they fight alongside them.
3. This I'm not sure about. A relatively small overall part of the military but their most effective and motivated fighters by far, seems to be the general consensus.