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And then they complain that they are poor, that they can't buy a house, that the evil rich people TM are are keeping them down. Ultimately it's all about perso

by djbebs 5y ago

And then they complain that they are poor, that they can't buy a house, that the evil rich people TM are are keeping them down. Ultimately it's all about personal responsibility, and the incentives being create to make the lack of said responsibility the "right" choice. Eliminate all forms of welfare and let people starve to death on the streets, and after a few years where they go hungry they will start to consider the idea that perhaps they should begin saving something

Jcowell 5y ago
> Eliminate all forms of welfare and let people starve to death on the streets, and after a few years where they go hungry they will start to consider the idea that perhaps they should begin saving something Hoping I’m not breaking any rules by this. I know often the Hacker News Demographic can be very different compared to the general population. Especially the population that lives paycheck to paycheck without any means of the ability to save. So I want to be very clear here: This is insane, Literally (in every essence of that word’s non-figurative meaning). Inhumane does not even begin to describe what this is.
- djbebs 5y ago
  > > Eliminate all forms of welfare and let people starve to death on the streets, and after a few years where they go hungry they will start to consider the idea that perhaps they should begin saving something > Hoping I’m not breaking any rules by this. I know often the Hacker News Demographic can be very different compared to the general population. Especially the population that lives paycheck to paycheck without any means of the ability to save. So I want to be very clear here: > This is insane, Literally (in every essence of that word’s non-figurative meaning). Inhumane does not even begin to describe what this is. What's insane is the false belief that people cannot take care of themselves. This has never been the case in human history, and it is not the case now. People live up to the expectations that are set for them, if you expect them to be children that will never take care of themselves, then that learned helplessness is what they will live up to. If you expect people to take care of themselves, and you don't get in their way when they do so, then they will take care of themselves.
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ReflectedImage 5y ago
Surely, they would just group together then just take stuff from rich people? The moral lesson, would be not to play unfair games.
- djbebs 5y ago
  Like they are doing right now by leveraging the power of the state?
  - ReflectedImage 5y ago
    Yes, but they would take more like 80% rather than the 10% they do today.
    - djbebs 5y ago
      You understand that rich people are already being taxed more than 80% right now, right?

by djbebs 5y ago

Jcowell 5y ago

> Eliminate all forms of welfare and let people starve to death on the streets, and after a few years where they go hungry they will start to consider the idea that perhaps they should begin saving something Hoping I’m not breaking any rules by this. I know often the Hacker News Demographic can be very different compared to the general population. Especially the population that lives paycheck to paycheck without any means of the ability to save. So I want to be very clear here: This is insane, Literally (in every essence of that word’s non-figurative meaning). Inhumane does not even begin to describe what this is.

djbebs 5y ago
> > Eliminate all forms of welfare and let people starve to death on the streets, and after a few years where they go hungry they will start to consider the idea that perhaps they should begin saving something > Hoping I’m not breaking any rules by this. I know often the Hacker News Demographic can be very different compared to the general population. Especially the population that lives paycheck to paycheck without any means of the ability to save. So I want to be very clear here: > This is insane, Literally (in every essence of that word’s non-figurative meaning). Inhumane does not even begin to describe what this is. What's insane is the false belief that people cannot take care of themselves. This has never been the case in human history, and it is not the case now. People live up to the expectations that are set for them, if you expect them to be children that will never take care of themselves, then that learned helplessness is what they will live up to. If you expect people to take care of themselves, and you don't get in their way when they do so, then they will take care of themselves.
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ReflectedImage 5y ago

Surely, they would just group together then just take stuff from rich people? The moral lesson, would be not to play unfair games.

djbebs 5y ago
Like they are doing right now by leveraging the power of the state?
- ReflectedImage 5y ago
  Yes, but they would take more like 80% rather than the 10% they do today.
  - djbebs 5y ago
    You understand that rich people are already being taxed more than 80% right now, right?