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> all the benefits of working from home (no commute, more focus, hanging out with the dog, whatever it may be) More focus…hanging out with the dog… These thin

> all the benefits of working from home (no commute, more focus, hanging out with the dog, whatever it may be) More focus…hanging out with the dog… These things literally contradict each other. The fact that someone can type this out and not even realize that just goes to show why everyone is convinced they have become so much more productive WFH, when companies dhar actually track their employees and their productivity have hard data that shows otherwise (Facebook, Google, etc would not be calling people back to the office which only serves to increase their costs, if they didn’t have the data to back it up).

alexb_ 5y ago
You can be more productive while also having more time for things that aren't work. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Mikushi 5y ago
I work for a large company and the data doesn't show that, team velocity has been up by 20 to 30% consistently.
- postalrat 5y ago
  Velocity up spinning in circles because communication is down and leadership can't lead.
fbanon 5y ago
Facebook didn't call people back to the office.
giantrobot 5y ago
> Facebook, Google, etc would not be calling people back to the office which only serves to increase their costs, if they didn’t have the data to back it up Yes they would. Both companies have the same toxic management types that see their direct reports as serfs in their fiefdom. They bitch and moan to upper management to get their serfs back in the fields. It's not difficult to focus while hanging out with a dog. The sort of attention they want typically isn't the same as a coworker standing over your desk. Petting a dog releases endorphins and oxytocin while dealing with the hovering coworker only generates cortisol.
randac 5y ago
> Facebook, Google, etc would not be calling people back to the office which only serves to increase their costs, if they didn’t have the data to back it up "They must have the data" is a very popular way to appeal to authority lately.
greedo 5y ago
Found the manager. I have my cat sitting next to me on a window ledge. Every now and then she makes a noise when she sees a bird. Totally disrupts my day. Can't focus for a good 24 hours. Yes, I'm being sarcastic. Imagine replacing my cat with my former cubicle mates. One who has ADHD and feels the need to verbally express every thought that comes to mind. And who gets upset when he doesn't get the validation he desires. Now that disrupts my day. Add in 2000 other employees in my company, any of which can walk by my desk and ask me about XYZ.
mecha_ghidorah 5y ago
> More focus…hanging out with the dog… > These things literally contradict each other. I don't see how to be honest. I don't have a dog but I hang out with my spouse more now that we both work from home: instead of going to make coffee in the little office kitchen or walking to a cafe we both hang out in our kitchen while we make coffee, we eat lunch together (admittedly we did that sometimes when we worked in offices too because we didn't work too far apart), and we have more time together in the mornings/evenings without having to commute. You add all that up and we get more time together while spending the same amount of time working... It's the same way that I have more time for housework: I can do things like quickly put a load of laundry in the machine while I'm stuck waiting to hear back from a colleague or do it on my lunch break or I'm waiting for some long process to execute before I analyse the results. In the office I'd be sitting on my hands waiting, at home I can get some non work related tasks out of the way

alexb_ 5y ago

You can be more productive while also having more time for things that aren't work. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Mikushi 5y ago

I work for a large company and the data doesn't show that, team velocity has been up by 20 to 30% consistently.

postalrat 5y ago
Velocity up spinning in circles because communication is down and leadership can't lead.

fbanon 5y ago

Facebook didn't call people back to the office.

giantrobot 5y ago

> Facebook, Google, etc would not be calling people back to the office which only serves to increase their costs, if they didn’t have the data to back it up Yes they would. Both companies have the same toxic management types that see their direct reports as serfs in their fiefdom. They bitch and moan to upper management to get their serfs back in the fields. It's not difficult to focus while hanging out with a dog. The sort of attention they want typically isn't the same as a coworker standing over your desk. Petting a dog releases endorphins and oxytocin while dealing with the hovering coworker only generates cortisol.

randac 5y ago

> Facebook, Google, etc would not be calling people back to the office which only serves to increase their costs, if they didn’t have the data to back it up "They must have the data" is a very popular way to appeal to authority lately.

greedo 5y ago

Found the manager. I have my cat sitting next to me on a window ledge. Every now and then she makes a noise when she sees a bird. Totally disrupts my day. Can't focus for a good 24 hours. Yes, I'm being sarcastic. Imagine replacing my cat with my former cubicle mates. One who has ADHD and feels the need to verbally express every thought that comes to mind. And who gets upset when he doesn't get the validation he desires. Now that disrupts my day. Add in 2000 other employees in my company, any of which can walk by my desk and ask me about XYZ.

mecha_ghidorah 5y ago

> More focus…hanging out with the dog… > These things literally contradict each other. I don't see how to be honest. I don't have a dog but I hang out with my spouse more now that we both work from home: instead of going to make coffee in the little office kitchen or walking to a cafe we both hang out in our kitchen while we make coffee, we eat lunch together (admittedly we did that sometimes when we worked in offices too because we didn't work too far apart), and we have more time together in the mornings/evenings without having to commute. You add all that up and we get more time together while spending the same amount of time working... It's the same way that I have more time for housework: I can do things like quickly put a load of laundry in the machine while I'm stuck waiting to hear back from a colleague or do it on my lunch break or I'm waiting for some long process to execute before I analyse the results. In the office I'd be sitting on my hands waiting, at home I can get some non work related tasks out of the way