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> you might as well learn to play the real thing You could argue the same with almost every other game thats a copy of real life actions. Racing, Soccer, Marti

> you might as well learn to play the real thing You could argue the same with almost every other game thats a copy of real life actions. Racing, Soccer, Martial Arts games... the list is long and does not even end with FPS games. There was lots of arguing the early days of "killer games" if they actually make people violent. No they don't. Competitive FPS games were and are about skills and being better, faster and able to outplay your opponent. My GFs sisters family was all about classical music education and her sister is already known international for playing her instrument. She also plays guitar hero (and competitive FPS shooter). Its just an entirely different skillset. Guitar hero needs absolutely no education in any music stuff, therefore the entry level is much much lower. You cannot really compare it. Guitar hero is like mastering any other video game like tetris or pong. Mastering a music instrument is another level of education. At least yet. Sooner or later it will comparable maybe. When children start to play a video game with the age of like 4 and keep doing it basically their entire life 6+ hours a day - that's the amount of time a professional classical musician invests in their profession.

yodsanklai 5y ago
> Guitar hero is like mastering any other video game like tetris or pong Still, there's an important rhythm element to it. I'd assume musicians or people who have a good sense of rhythm are at an advantage.
- entropie 5y ago
  > there's an important rhythm element to it. Well. You could say timing =~ rhythm. So yes and no. I'am pretty sure - correct me if iam wrong - that guitar hero pros watch the screen and don't listen to the music. Makes it also easier to adapt to (way) higher speeds than 100%.
  - LocalH 5y ago
    Some people play that way, yes. I personally play where I sync myself to the actual music as best as possible. So I have to hear both the music and my controller sounds. I don't know if I'd consider myself a pro player (although I'm a prominent GH2/Rock Band modder) but I'm much better than the average player, when you take into account all players and not just GH community members.
- hnlmorg 5y ago
  I DJ (3x deck techno and breaks too, so stuff that requires being good at rhythms and beat matching) as well as play the guitar and keyboard. I totally suck at guitar hero and other rhythm games. I'm not saying there isn't any transferable skills what-so-ever but being good at one doesn't automatically mean you have an advantage at the other.
philjohn 5y ago
I'd say sim racing stands out a little as the cost of entry into doing it for real tends to be a lot more than a computer, wheel and pedals.
- dewey 5y ago
  And some even make the jump to the real thing: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.f1-esports-graduate-cem-bolukbasi-secures-formula-2-drive-for-2022.4lShLUe1W5BkA0lXFDiBRf.html https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.f1-esports-gradua...
maratc 5y ago
> Its just an entirely different skillset. With a plastic guitar, you're right. But plastic drumset skills are transferrable to a real instrument.
- hnlmorg 5y ago
  Not necessarily. The way you sit at a drum kit, angle your arms and even hold the drumsticks differ on real kits than they do on the Guitar Hero kit. The technique matters a lot because you use the flex in the drum skins to help with your movements and thus allow for tighter patterns and reduce the risk of RSI. This same technique isn't transferable to Guitar Hero and nor would playing Guitar Hero make you a competent drummer (due to teaching the wrong technique).
  - maratc 5y ago
    I agree it's not 100% the same thing but it's much closer than playing a plastic guitar. Being an excellent GH drummer might make you (a mediocre) drummer IRL. Being an excellent GH guitar player won't make you even a beginner guitar player IRL. It's not "an entirely different skillset", it's a relevantly close skillset as long as drums are affected.
    - hnlmorg 5y ago
      My point is that being a drummer, even a mediocre one, is all about technique and that technique differs on a real drum kit vs Guitar Hero drums. While superficially it might look the same, drumming isn’t just about hitting objects in time. How you hit those objects is what really matters but GH doesn’t train that skill.
rkangel 5y ago
I agree on most games. I find it interesting that being good at simracing (with one of the proper simulation games like iRacing) does translate to ability on a track.
riater 5y ago
I have played classical guitar for 30 years. It is absurd to say you can not compare these things. Utterly absurd. It is exactly like spending time in car driving simulator instead of actually learning to drive car. Your point makes zero sense. I don't even think you believe this because comparing video game soccer or martial arts to actually playing soccer or fighting is just stupid.
- entropie 5y ago
  > It is exactly like spending time in car driving simulator instead of actually learning to drive car. Thats not remotely comparable with playing guitar trying to replicate what you see on a screen with a few buttons. But I will not argue with a guy that just called my opinion "just stupid". Also: > because comparing video game soccer or martial arts to actually playing soccer or fighting Thats not what I did.

yodsanklai 5y ago

> Guitar hero is like mastering any other video game like tetris or pong Still, there's an important rhythm element to it. I'd assume musicians or people who have a good sense of rhythm are at an advantage.

entropie 5y ago
> there's an important rhythm element to it. Well. You could say timing =~ rhythm. So yes and no. I'am pretty sure - correct me if iam wrong - that guitar hero pros watch the screen and don't listen to the music. Makes it also easier to adapt to (way) higher speeds than 100%.
- LocalH 5y ago
  Some people play that way, yes. I personally play where I sync myself to the actual music as best as possible. So I have to hear both the music and my controller sounds. I don't know if I'd consider myself a pro player (although I'm a prominent GH2/Rock Band modder) but I'm much better than the average player, when you take into account all players and not just GH community members.
hnlmorg 5y ago
I DJ (3x deck techno and breaks too, so stuff that requires being good at rhythms and beat matching) as well as play the guitar and keyboard. I totally suck at guitar hero and other rhythm games. I'm not saying there isn't any transferable skills what-so-ever but being good at one doesn't automatically mean you have an advantage at the other.

philjohn 5y ago

I'd say sim racing stands out a little as the cost of entry into doing it for real tends to be a lot more than a computer, wheel and pedals.

dewey 5y ago
And some even make the jump to the real thing: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.f1-esports-graduate-cem-bolukbasi-secures-formula-2-drive-for-2022.4lShLUe1W5BkA0lXFDiBRf.html https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.f1-esports-gradua...

maratc 5y ago

> Its just an entirely different skillset. With a plastic guitar, you're right. But plastic drumset skills are transferrable to a real instrument.

hnlmorg 5y ago
Not necessarily. The way you sit at a drum kit, angle your arms and even hold the drumsticks differ on real kits than they do on the Guitar Hero kit. The technique matters a lot because you use the flex in the drum skins to help with your movements and thus allow for tighter patterns and reduce the risk of RSI. This same technique isn't transferable to Guitar Hero and nor would playing Guitar Hero make you a competent drummer (due to teaching the wrong technique).
- maratc 5y ago
  I agree it's not 100% the same thing but it's much closer than playing a plastic guitar. Being an excellent GH drummer might make you (a mediocre) drummer IRL. Being an excellent GH guitar player won't make you even a beginner guitar player IRL. It's not "an entirely different skillset", it's a relevantly close skillset as long as drums are affected.
  - hnlmorg 5y ago
    My point is that being a drummer, even a mediocre one, is all about technique and that technique differs on a real drum kit vs Guitar Hero drums. While superficially it might look the same, drumming isn’t just about hitting objects in time. How you hit those objects is what really matters but GH doesn’t train that skill.

rkangel 5y ago

I agree on most games. I find it interesting that being good at simracing (with one of the proper simulation games like iRacing) does translate to ability on a track.

riater 5y ago

I have played classical guitar for 30 years. It is absurd to say you can not compare these things. Utterly absurd. It is exactly like spending time in car driving simulator instead of actually learning to drive car. Your point makes zero sense. I don't even think you believe this because comparing video game soccer or martial arts to actually playing soccer or fighting is just stupid.

entropie 5y ago
> It is exactly like spending time in car driving simulator instead of actually learning to drive car. Thats not remotely comparable with playing guitar trying to replicate what you see on a screen with a few buttons. But I will not argue with a guy that just called my opinion "just stupid". Also: > because comparing video game soccer or martial arts to actually playing soccer or fighting Thats not what I did.