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YOU might be an adult, but honestly in the past few years, it seems pretty clear that plenty of people who are age 18 or 21 or even age 40 can't seem to act lik

YOU might be an adult, but honestly in the past few years, it seems pretty clear that plenty of people who are age 18 or 21 or even age 40 can't seem to act like adults. And I say that as someone who is a proponent of MDMA legalization. It is well known that humans can't make rational choices. If refrigerators with CFCs were still legal to purchase alongside non-CFC refrigerators, I'd be willing to bet the ozone layer would probably not exist right now. If leaded gasoline wasn't basically banned, I bet plenty of people will still drive around using leaded gasoline.

Dma54rhs 5y ago
True, covid only proved the public health question can't be solved from the individualistic point of view. Many drugs have a big cost on society, not just individual who decides to take them.
watwut 5y ago
> YOU might be an adult, but honestly in the past few years, it seems pretty clear that plenty of people who are age 18 or 21 or even age 40 can't seem to act like adults. That is because "acting like adult" is used as term of approval. It means "a theoretically ideal" behavior. It does not mean "average adult have that psychology" nor "average adult have that value".
- jychang 5y ago
  That's like calling "getting a C- in a class so that you pass the class" or "not pissing your own pants" some sort of "theoretically ideal" behavior. Yes, it's "ideal" in the sense that not everyone accomplishes that behavior (some people will fail a class or have bladder issues, obviously). But that doesn't mean "half the population failing Algebra I" or "half the population regularly pees their own pants" is an acceptable outcome in society. Just because you can define "acting like an adult" as ideal rather than true in all real cases doesn't mean it shouldn't be an expectation.
vmception 5y ago
This doesn’t seem to change my point. Lysol can kill you and all your children. Mouthwash can. And for something with more similarities: advil. All sold in gas stations. So, do the studies just so that we can have fine print on the side of the bottle just like everything else, and sell it alongside everything else.
- jychang 5y ago
  Lysol doesn't directly interact with the brain's reward mechanisms, undermining rational thought processes (unless there's people out there huffing Lysol that I'm not aware of). A car can kill you and all your children. Are you a proponent of allowing anyone to drive a car without restrictions (driver's licenses)? Slap a warning label on the steering wheel of a car "do not drive while drunk" and call it a day?
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more_corn 5y ago
By that logic we should nerf everything in the world. But you miss the point. Banning psychedelics prevents their use in psychotherapy. Rolling back that ban do we can explore the possibilities is certainly sound.
- jychang 5y ago
  That's clearly a bad argument. That's equivalent to saying that driving cars or flying planes should be available to everyone, without a driver's licence or pilot's license. Don't strawman what I said. I didn't say psychedelics should be banned. I said that they shouldn't be sold in gas stations (aka easily available to the public). I fail to see how that prevents prescriptions from being a viable option, or a "mdma license" similar to a driver's license that is issued only after a person proves that they can safely use it.

Dma54rhs 5y ago

True, covid only proved the public health question can't be solved from the individualistic point of view. Many drugs have a big cost on society, not just individual who decides to take them.

watwut 5y ago

> YOU might be an adult, but honestly in the past few years, it seems pretty clear that plenty of people who are age 18 or 21 or even age 40 can't seem to act like adults. That is because "acting like adult" is used as term of approval. It means "a theoretically ideal" behavior. It does not mean "average adult have that psychology" nor "average adult have that value".

jychang 5y ago
That's like calling "getting a C- in a class so that you pass the class" or "not pissing your own pants" some sort of "theoretically ideal" behavior. Yes, it's "ideal" in the sense that not everyone accomplishes that behavior (some people will fail a class or have bladder issues, obviously). But that doesn't mean "half the population failing Algebra I" or "half the population regularly pees their own pants" is an acceptable outcome in society. Just because you can define "acting like an adult" as ideal rather than true in all real cases doesn't mean it shouldn't be an expectation.

vmception 5y ago

This doesn’t seem to change my point. Lysol can kill you and all your children. Mouthwash can. And for something with more similarities: advil. All sold in gas stations. So, do the studies just so that we can have fine print on the side of the bottle just like everything else, and sell it alongside everything else.

jychang 5y ago
Lysol doesn't directly interact with the brain's reward mechanisms, undermining rational thought processes (unless there's people out there huffing Lysol that I'm not aware of). A car can kill you and all your children. Are you a proponent of allowing anyone to drive a car without restrictions (driver's licenses)? Slap a warning label on the steering wheel of a car "do not drive while drunk" and call it a day?

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more_corn 5y ago

By that logic we should nerf everything in the world. But you miss the point. Banning psychedelics prevents their use in psychotherapy. Rolling back that ban do we can explore the possibilities is certainly sound.

jychang 5y ago
That's clearly a bad argument. That's equivalent to saying that driving cars or flying planes should be available to everyone, without a driver's licence or pilot's license. Don't strawman what I said. I didn't say psychedelics should be banned. I said that they shouldn't be sold in gas stations (aka easily available to the public). I fail to see how that prevents prescriptions from being a viable option, or a "mdma license" similar to a driver's license that is issued only after a person proves that they can safely use it.