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Plotto: A new method of plot suggestion for writers of creative fiction (1928)

79 points by sohkamyung 5y ago

homarp 5y ago
http://ianchadwick.com/blog/the-weird-world-of-plotto/ http://ianchadwick.com/blog/the-weird-world-of-plotto/ Online version: https://garykac.github.io/plotto/plotto-fm.html https://garykac.github.io/plotto/plotto-fm.html or https://garykac.github.io/plotto/plotto-mf.html https://garykac.github.io/plotto/plotto-mf.html XML version: https://github.com/eykd/plottoxml https://github.com/eykd/plottoxml
- homarp 5y ago
  kind of related: https://nanogenmo.github.io/ https://nanogenmo.github.io/
  - dealmeidaleon 5y ago
    This makes me think of the novel machine from Orwell’s 1984
dhosek 5y ago
Oddly enough, I just read this book (after checking out the Tin House reprint from the library). It was surprising how many recent films have plots that come straight out of this book. It does seem a decent way for generating plots for those who have difficulty on that front and are writing plot-driven fiction, but for the sort of stuff that I write, where the plot arises more from the characters and the language, it's not all that useful (I picked it up thinking it might help with a story I've been working on that has left me stuck but it wasn't really useful for my own needs). In this instance what helped was to just keep writing and see where the characters led. I think the current draft of the story will probably be twice as long or more than the final story and sometimes that's what it takes.
- actually_a_dog 5y ago
  The idea that there are only a small number of basic plots (ur-plots?) is not new. None other than Kurt Vonnegut wrote his master's thesis about it at University of Chicago in 1965 [0]. The exact claimed number of ur-plots is up for debate, but the idea seems sensible. --- [0]: https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2016/jul/13/three-six-or-36-how-many-basic-plots-are-there-in-all-stories-ever-written https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2016/jul/13/thre...
- scotty79 5y ago
  > stuff that I write, where the plot arises more from the characters and the language I think that approach might be better than plot focused one which seems to be dominant in modern entertainment. When characters just implement some plot they look like cutouts instead of real humans and it's hard to keep their behavior consistent and believable.
vivegi 5y ago
Polti, Georges (1921) [1916]. The Thirty-Six Dramatic Situations. Franklin, Ohio: James Knapp Reeve. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirty-Six_Dramatic_Situations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirty-Six_Dramatic_Situat...
- novosel 5y ago
  I would also recommend: Étienne Souriau, Two Hundred Thousand Dramatic Situations.
  - chazu 5y ago
    Has this been translated into English? Cursory googling returns nothing.
scotty79 5y ago
Are there any other, more modern tools for constructing or mapping plots? I know some fans are doing that for specific pieces of popular fiction. I wonder if any specific notation for plots emerged.
0898 5y ago
It's like the 1920s TV Tropes.

79 points by sohkamyung 5y ago

http://ianchadwick.com/blog/the-weird-world-of-plotto/ http://ianchadwick.com/blog/the-weird-world-of-plotto/ Online version: https://garykac.github.io/plotto/plotto-fm.html https://garykac.github.io/plotto/plotto-fm.html or https://garykac.github.io/plotto/plotto-mf.html https://garykac.github.io/plotto/plotto-mf.html XML version: https://github.com/eykd/plottoxml https://github.com/eykd/plottoxml

homarp 5y ago
kind of related: https://nanogenmo.github.io/ https://nanogenmo.github.io/
- dealmeidaleon 5y ago
  This makes me think of the novel machine from Orwell’s 1984

dhosek 5y ago

Oddly enough, I just read this book (after checking out the Tin House reprint from the library). It was surprising how many recent films have plots that come straight out of this book. It does seem a decent way for generating plots for those who have difficulty on that front and are writing plot-driven fiction, but for the sort of stuff that I write, where the plot arises more from the characters and the language, it's not all that useful (I picked it up thinking it might help with a story I've been working on that has left me stuck but it wasn't really useful for my own needs). In this instance what helped was to just keep writing and see where the characters led. I think the current draft of the story will probably be twice as long or more than the final story and sometimes that's what it takes.

actually_a_dog 5y ago
The idea that there are only a small number of basic plots (ur-plots?) is not new. None other than Kurt Vonnegut wrote his master's thesis about it at University of Chicago in 1965 [0]. The exact claimed number of ur-plots is up for debate, but the idea seems sensible. --- [0]: https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2016/jul/13/three-six-or-36-how-many-basic-plots-are-there-in-all-stories-ever-written https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2016/jul/13/thre...
scotty79 5y ago
> stuff that I write, where the plot arises more from the characters and the language I think that approach might be better than plot focused one which seems to be dominant in modern entertainment. When characters just implement some plot they look like cutouts instead of real humans and it's hard to keep their behavior consistent and believable.

vivegi 5y ago

Polti, Georges (1921) [1916]. The Thirty-Six Dramatic Situations. Franklin, Ohio: James Knapp Reeve. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirty-Six_Dramatic_Situations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirty-Six_Dramatic_Situat...

novosel 5y ago
I would also recommend: Étienne Souriau, Two Hundred Thousand Dramatic Situations.
- chazu 5y ago
  Has this been translated into English? Cursory googling returns nothing.

scotty79 5y ago

Are there any other, more modern tools for constructing or mapping plots? I know some fans are doing that for specific pieces of popular fiction. I wonder if any specific notation for plots emerged.

0898 5y ago

It's like the 1920s TV Tropes.