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Seems like YC has simply become a credential for future fund-raising, like "Harvard" or something else on your resume. No sour grapes at all, full credit to pg,

Seems like YC has simply become a credential for future fund-raising, like "Harvard" or something else on your resume. No sour grapes at all, full credit to pg, Jessica, and the rest for building it to be wildly successful like that, but yes founders should think hard about why they would do something like YC and if the trade-off is worth it. While "YCXX" has always seemed like an interesting signal especially around these parts, personally my own radar is that anything post YC15 is less likely to grab my attention, because the original YC founders were less/no longer involved. Nothing wrong with the new generation of folks running it, but having followed this space since their early days, there is still a certain cachet that comes with the "OG" batches of YC, which were small and seemed more impactful, compared to the later ones.

beambot 5y ago
In many places outside Silicon Valley, you'll find that local investors are reluctant to deviate from 1x revenue or 10x EBITDA for "venture investing" valuations -- which are really more akin to mature company / PE-style worldviews. For companies working in those environments, you could easily justify YCombinator as a conduit to Silicon Valley investor networks with loftier valuations & hypergrowth mindsets.
- forgingahead 5y ago
  Certainly makes sense - though the piper needs to be paid eventually though - loftier valuations eventually need to be justified, else companies eventually suffer a down-round or worse, founders get kicked out or the entire company gets shut down. Seems like a Russian-Roulette way of playing business - hope you can exit with strong wealth before you find the chamber with the bullet in it.
  - beambot 5y ago
    Yes, it's a different risk profile that doesn't suit all businesses. VCs are in the business of power-law returns: They're looking for homeruns, not base hits. It's really important for founders to select the right sources of capital for their business. The good news: YC itself is a pretty good actor on that front -- the new $500k uncapped SAFE helps founders retain optionality without fully committing them to hypergrowth trajectories.
tomatowurst 5y ago
what confuses me is why would you take on higher cost of capital when debt is nearly free? with 50k/month in revenues, you could easily get a loan from several banks near 0.25~2% interest. not sure exactly how much leverage you can get but at the extreme end you might get 6:1

beambot 5y ago

In many places outside Silicon Valley, you'll find that local investors are reluctant to deviate from 1x revenue or 10x EBITDA for "venture investing" valuations -- which are really more akin to mature company / PE-style worldviews. For companies working in those environments, you could easily justify YCombinator as a conduit to Silicon Valley investor networks with loftier valuations & hypergrowth mindsets.

forgingahead 5y ago
Certainly makes sense - though the piper needs to be paid eventually though - loftier valuations eventually need to be justified, else companies eventually suffer a down-round or worse, founders get kicked out or the entire company gets shut down. Seems like a Russian-Roulette way of playing business - hope you can exit with strong wealth before you find the chamber with the bullet in it.
- beambot 5y ago
  Yes, it's a different risk profile that doesn't suit all businesses. VCs are in the business of power-law returns: They're looking for homeruns, not base hits. It's really important for founders to select the right sources of capital for their business. The good news: YC itself is a pretty good actor on that front -- the new $500k uncapped SAFE helps founders retain optionality without fully committing them to hypergrowth trajectories.

tomatowurst 5y ago

what confuses me is why would you take on higher cost of capital when debt is nearly free? with 50k/month in revenues, you could easily get a loan from several banks near 0.25~2% interest. not sure exactly how much leverage you can get but at the extreme end you might get 6:1