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Yeah, I remember when the US government took Apple to court to get them to allow FBI to have a backdoor through the encryption and Apple did not capitulate, tho

Yeah, I remember when the US government took Apple to court to get them to allow FBI to have a backdoor through the encryption and Apple did not capitulate, though the cases were eventually dropped. While US agencies certainly do crooked things, they do not have the capacity to force companies to do stuff under threat of violence and otherwise that Russia does with Kaspersky.

DiogenesKynikos 5y ago
I also remember when: * The NSA secretly obtained access to every Verizon customer's entire call log. This was blatantly illegal (the 4th Amendment forbids general warrants), and it only came to light because of Snowden's leaks.[0] * Snowden's email provider, Lavabit, was compelled to install a backdoor that allowed the US government to read the emails of all of the provider's users. The process was supposed to be secret: the company was under a gag order. The public only found out because the founder spoke out.[1] There are many examples like this from the US (just look up "National Security Letter," or take a look at Snowden's leaks). You're citing one example in which a company successfully refused a request, but we also know from Snowden that there was mass collection on most Americans that went on for years in secret, despite the fact that it was blatantly illegal. The scale of surveillance conducted globally by US intelligence agencies is unparalleled. I'm sure Russia wishes it could collect information on the same scale, but it simply does not have the ability to do so. 0. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-reco... 1. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/20/why-did-lavabit-shut-down-snowden-email https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/20/why-di...

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Yeah, I remember when the US government took Apple to court to get them to allow FBI to have a backdoor through the encryption and Apple did not capitulate, tho

by Master_Odin 5y ago

DiogenesKynikos 5y ago
I also remember when: * The NSA secretly obtained access to every Verizon customer's entire call log. This was blatantly illegal (the 4th Amendment forbids general warrants), and it only came to light because of Snowden's leaks.[0] * Snowden's email provider, Lavabit, was compelled to install a backdoor that allowed the US government to read the emails of all of the provider's users. The process was supposed to be secret: the company was under a gag order. The public only found out because the founder spoke out.[1] There are many examples like this from the US (just look up "National Security Letter," or take a look at Snowden's leaks). You're citing one example in which a company successfully refused a request, but we also know from Snowden that there was mass collection on most Americans that went on for years in secret, despite the fact that it was blatantly illegal. The scale of surveillance conducted globally by US intelligence agencies is unparalleled. I'm sure Russia wishes it could collect information on the same scale, but it simply does not have the ability to do so. 0. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-reco... 1. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/20/why-did-lavabit-shut-down-snowden-email https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/20/why-di...