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> 2) The bill would exempt applicants holding a PhD in a STEM field from the annual per-country green card limits, enabling them to quickly apply for permanent

by coolso 5y ago

> 2) The bill would exempt applicants holding a PhD in a STEM field from the annual per-country green card limits, enabling them to quickly apply for permanent residency without being subject to the availability of an immigrant visa. This would benefit Indians and Chinese nationals the most. Are we… still giving unfair advantages to foreign nationals and companies that hire foreign nationals over Americans in 2022?

N1H1L 5y ago
Elucidate - your unfair advantages. Honestly at this point I am sick and tired of this dog-whistling nonsense. And when called out all of you losers act all innocent about it. That shtick worked years back, but it's just plain racist in 2022 and it's well known. Get lost.
- coolso 5y ago
  Sorry but you can’t toxically gaslight me and most of the country into idly standing by in the current year while governmental policies continue to give foreign countries and non-Americans advantages over the American people. The age of globalism and outsourcing so corporations can sell out the American worker and consumer for a quick buck and a cheap disposable product made in a country with lax environmental laws and wasting fuel to ship it halfway across the world is coming to a close, and none of your extremely progressive zeitgeist accusatory and inflaming buzzwords can change that, no matter how many you attempt to cram into each paragraph. The unfair advantages (and scams and frauds that go hand in hand as well) are extensively documented and well known, which is why our big tech companies are so high on foreign nationals in the first place, and why their countries of origin love it as well. That being said this bill is an excellent step towards bringing jobs and manufacturing back to where they belong: the USA.
  - N1H1L 5y ago
    What fair or unfair advantages? Nobody is toxically gaslighting you. Just pointing out that your assertions are fact free xenophobia.
- jl2718 5y ago
  Americans families pay taxes to universities. Then they pay tuition to universities. Then their children go to work to pay loans. Forever. Universities pay administrators to import labor for their government grants. Why are there so many foreign PhD students? Are Americans lazy? No; we have to work. Education is high-class leisure in America. Decades ago, Americans went back to school after paying off loans and getting experience. Not so anymore; the pipeline is too full to get back into it. This credentialism is being used to prove that Americans are unqualified to work in their own country. We should not be so impressed with PhDs. I assure you that a decade into this policy we won’t be.
  - N1H1L 5y ago
    The total foreign STEM PhDs is 15,000 per year. Even if you add all of them together for the last decade, it won't even crack the top 50 largest places in the US. Your fact-free rants aside, what people forget is how few PhDs are there, actually. Let's take materials science; even the largest schools in the discipline do not even produce 30 PhDs per year. Less than 300 materials science PhDs graduate in total in the US per year; that's it. If all materials science PhDs ever granted in the US sit together (less than 30,000), they won't even fill a football stadium. And you can't just scale things up, equipment is multi-million dollars and it takes years to train good scientists. Nativist attitudes like yours leads to a company like ASML residing outside the US rather than inside. You want to dig your own country/communities' graves - go for it. Just don't expect kudos for doing harakiri.
    - jl2718 5y ago
      Correct; the programs can’t scale. Schools give a fixed number of PhDs every year. They can either give them to Americans or to foreign students. Hint: same with PhD employers. To be fair, I do understand the point of international competition for those slots, but that’s not directly aligned with the interests of the American middle class that pays the tuition and grant money to those schools. I don’t understand your ASML anecdote. The US has far more immigrant workers than any other country on earth. Is ASML avoiding us because that’s not enough? Are Taiwanese and Korean semiconductor industries failing due to their focus on citizen training and employment rather than labor imports?

by coolso 5y ago

N1H1L 5y ago

Elucidate - your unfair advantages. Honestly at this point I am sick and tired of this dog-whistling nonsense. And when called out all of you losers act all innocent about it. That shtick worked years back, but it's just plain racist in 2022 and it's well known. Get lost.

coolso 5y ago
Sorry but you can’t toxically gaslight me and most of the country into idly standing by in the current year while governmental policies continue to give foreign countries and non-Americans advantages over the American people. The age of globalism and outsourcing so corporations can sell out the American worker and consumer for a quick buck and a cheap disposable product made in a country with lax environmental laws and wasting fuel to ship it halfway across the world is coming to a close, and none of your extremely progressive zeitgeist accusatory and inflaming buzzwords can change that, no matter how many you attempt to cram into each paragraph. The unfair advantages (and scams and frauds that go hand in hand as well) are extensively documented and well known, which is why our big tech companies are so high on foreign nationals in the first place, and why their countries of origin love it as well. That being said this bill is an excellent step towards bringing jobs and manufacturing back to where they belong: the USA.
- N1H1L 5y ago
  What fair or unfair advantages? Nobody is toxically gaslighting you. Just pointing out that your assertions are fact free xenophobia.
jl2718 5y ago
Americans families pay taxes to universities. Then they pay tuition to universities. Then their children go to work to pay loans. Forever. Universities pay administrators to import labor for their government grants. Why are there so many foreign PhD students? Are Americans lazy? No; we have to work. Education is high-class leisure in America. Decades ago, Americans went back to school after paying off loans and getting experience. Not so anymore; the pipeline is too full to get back into it. This credentialism is being used to prove that Americans are unqualified to work in their own country. We should not be so impressed with PhDs. I assure you that a decade into this policy we won’t be.
- N1H1L 5y ago
  The total foreign STEM PhDs is 15,000 per year. Even if you add all of them together for the last decade, it won't even crack the top 50 largest places in the US. Your fact-free rants aside, what people forget is how few PhDs are there, actually. Let's take materials science; even the largest schools in the discipline do not even produce 30 PhDs per year. Less than 300 materials science PhDs graduate in total in the US per year; that's it. If all materials science PhDs ever granted in the US sit together (less than 30,000), they won't even fill a football stadium. And you can't just scale things up, equipment is multi-million dollars and it takes years to train good scientists. Nativist attitudes like yours leads to a company like ASML residing outside the US rather than inside. You want to dig your own country/communities' graves - go for it. Just don't expect kudos for doing harakiri.
  - jl2718 5y ago
    Correct; the programs can’t scale. Schools give a fixed number of PhDs every year. They can either give them to Americans or to foreign students. Hint: same with PhD employers. To be fair, I do understand the point of international competition for those slots, but that’s not directly aligned with the interests of the American middle class that pays the tuition and grant money to those schools. I don’t understand your ASML anecdote. The US has far more immigrant workers than any other country on earth. Is ASML avoiding us because that’s not enough? Are Taiwanese and Korean semiconductor industries failing due to their focus on citizen training and employment rather than labor imports?