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Per [1], the House version contains important immigration provisions. 1) The bill would create a new category of non-immigrant visa called the W visa for owner
by huy-nguyen 5y ago
Per [1], the House version contains important immigration provisions.
1) The bill would create a new category of non-immigrant visa called the W visa for owners (W-1) or essential employees (W-2) of start-up companies and their dependent family members (W-3).
2) The bill would exempt applicants holding a PhD in a STEM field from the annual per-country green card limits, enabling them to quickly apply for permanent residency without being subject to the availability of an immigrant visa. This would benefit Indians and Chinese nationals the most.
3) The bill would provide for Temporary Protected Status for certain qualified residents of Hong Kong, as well as Special Immigrant Status for highly-skilled Hong Kong residents, capped at 5,000 per year.
However, this bill is not finalized yet according to [2]:
> But it’s not through to Biden yet: Now the Senate and the House will have to reconcile their competing versions of the bill, and “a final measure is unlikely to be completed before the end of May”
[1] https://www.rnlawgroup.com/immigration-provisions-in-the-america-competes-act-of-2022/ https://www.rnlawgroup.com/immigration-provisions-in-the-ame...
[2] https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2022/03/29/the-left-gears-up-to-take-on-manchin-again-0002119 https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2022/03/29/the...
Edit: clarified that these are only in the House version and will have to be reconciled with the Senate version.
- ipnon 5y agoThe United States should be offering permanent residency to practically everyone with a Ph.D.
- ronyfadel 5y agoThat would lead to the immediate creation of Ph.D. farms in other countries
- raincom 5y agoAlso more journals will be created:)
- a2tech 5y agoYou say that like they don't already exist
- thaumasiotes 5y agoNot at all. Extra benefits to Ph. D. holders means more Ph. D. mills, regardless of how many already exist.
- phendrenad2 5y agoSo who cares? What's the point?
- gleenn 5y agoThat makes a lot of sense, I just hope that doesn't mean some countries don't start making PhD mills for schools to get around visa caps which seems like an obvious possible side effect
- pbnjay 5y agoUnfortunately this is already the reality… I really hope there’s some other layer of checks on the quality of the degree or something.
- paxys 5y agoForgot all PhDs, it is next to impossible for most students and researchers who get advanced degrees from American universities to get work visas or permanent residency. We get the best talent from all over the world, spend billions on educating them, and then force them to go home.
- mwint 5y agoIs the US spending billions to educate them, or are they spending billions to be educated here?
- N1H1L 5y agoThe US is. NSF plus DOE Office of Science plus NIH is over 50 billion dollars, of which easily a third is going for training internationals PhDs and postdocs.
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- kjeetgill 5y agoI think most PhDs are paid for by the University, not the students. In computer science, and I'd imagine most other stem at least.
- stevenbedrick 5y agoTrue! But in STEM fields the money to pay for PhD students (tuition, stipends, fees, insurance, etc.) almost always ultimately comes from the Federal government in one form or another. Typically, it'll be paid for out of one of their advisor's grants (which usually are from a Federal source), or sometimes from a training grant of some kind (e.g. an NIH T32 or some such, which is also from a Federal source).
- option 5y agoYes, and then we send them back to China, Russia and India despite their attempts to stay and contribute here.
- a2tech 5y agoIf they get a Ph.D. in the US, I agree totally.
- psychlops 5y agoMaybe they could start with medical doctors before they start replacing Ph.D's in the STEM field. Just to be certain that it will work, you know.
- epicureanideal 5y agoExactly. Stem is basically just the remaining non-inheritance-based middle class jobs, and it seems like someone is in a hurry to reduce the wages there. But not wages of doctors, lawyers, and CEOs.
- omegaworks 5y ago> The United States should be offering permanent residency to practically everyone. FTFY
- next_xibalba 5y agoWhy would we want non-STEM PhDs? These are not additive to the U.S. economy or culture. We have a glut of non-STEM PhD holders as it stands.
- throwawaygh 5y agoyou're being downvoted for the second sentence, but the third sentence is indisputably true.
- zamfi 5y agoDepends what you mean by “glut” — if you mean the welfare rolls are full of English PhDs, or the ranks of middle management are gummed up with French Literature PhDs, or the arms of government administration are overrun by political science PhDs, then sure. If you mean most PhDs don’t get faculty jobs, well, then we have a glut of basketball, football, and baseball players too.
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- vondur 5y agoDon’t we have a glut of Ph.D’s here in the US already?
- polski-g 5y agoPhD's from where? From American universities? Or from Kwame's StickShack University in rural Congo?
- steve76 5y ago[dead]
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- rayiner 5y agoDepends what you want out of immigration. Consider the profile of the people who emigrate. People with PhDs are typically elites back home. Moreover, less than 10% of people in Asia would emigrate if they could: https://news.gallup.com/poll/245255/750-million-worldwide-migrate.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/245255/750-million-worldwide-mi.... So you’re selecting people who are antisocial enough to leave kith and kin behind for economic opportunities. Not saying this pejoratively—my whole family fits this profile. But people don’t think enough about what sorts of folks we’re really bringing in and how that changes our culture.
- athyuttamre 5y agoThese provisions were included in the House version [0] but not in the Senate version [1], so I'm not sure if they have actually passed. Not much Twitter activity on the W visa either. [0] https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/4521/text/eh https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/4521... [1] https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/4521/text/eas https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/4521...
- kelnos 5y ago> 1) The bill would create a new category of non-immigrant visa called the W visa for owners (W-1) or essential employees (W-2) of start-up companies and their dependent family members (W-3). I'm always disappointed in this style of visa. These are the kinds of people we want to keep, not make their stay contingent on working at or running a startup. To me, it's really stupid that anything but a tourist/business visit visa should be non-immigrant; all long-term stay visas should provide an easy path to permanent residence (sure, assuming whatever reasonable qualifications are met). And I wonder if these W-* visas will be similar to the H-* visas, where if you quit or are fired, you need to find similarly-qualifying employment in a disgustingly short amount of time, or you're forced to leave the country. So you end up having very little employment mobility, and many people end up feeling trapped in a job they hate, because finding a new employer that will sponsor your visa isn't always a slam dunk, and plenty of things can happen to screw it up. All this is just band-aids on the current crap immigration system we have. But no one has the political courage (or capital?) to completely throw out the current system and write a new, sane, humane one from scratch.
- rayiner 5y ago> To me, it's really stupid that anything but a tourist/business visit visa should be non-immigrant; all long-term stay visas should provide an easy path to permanent residence (sure, assuming whatever reasonable qualifications are met). Americans don’t want that. A lot of our immigration-related problems is that the executive branch created a de facto permanent immigration system (with modest Congressional acquiesce in the 1990s) out of what was sold to the public as a temporary worker visa.
- muzaffarpur 5y agoHow can you be certain to say that Americans don't want that. Both parties ( considering political parties are representative of public opinion) are pro immigration during the elections. Post elections, they simply change their stance.
- 8note 5y agoWhat Americans want tends to be irrelevant vs what states want
- edmcnulty101 5y agoGood time to be in the fake PhD diploma mill business!
- BeFlatXIII 5y ago> The bill would exempt applicants holding a PhD in a STEM field from the annual per-country green card limits, enabling them to quickly apply for permanent residency without being subject to the availability of an immigrant visa. Finally! It was utter idiocy that it wasn't already the law to staple a green card to each PhD diploma earned by a foreigner for my entire life.
- coolso 5y ago> 2) The bill would exempt applicants holding a PhD in a STEM field from the annual per-country green card limits, enabling them to quickly apply for permanent residency without being subject to the availability of an immigrant visa. This would benefit Indians and Chinese nationals the most. Are we… still giving unfair advantages to foreign nationals and companies that hire foreign nationals over Americans in 2022?
- N1H1L 5y agoElucidate - your unfair advantages. Honestly at this point I am sick and tired of this dog-whistling nonsense. And when called out all of you losers act all innocent about it. That shtick worked years back, but it's just plain racist in 2022 and it's well known. Get lost.
- coolso 5y agoSorry but you can’t toxically gaslight me and most of the country into idly standing by in the current year while governmental policies continue to give foreign countries and non-Americans advantages over the American people. The age of globalism and outsourcing so corporations can sell out the American worker and consumer for a quick buck and a cheap disposable product made in a country with lax environmental laws and wasting fuel to ship it halfway across the world is coming to a close, and none of your extremely progressive zeitgeist accusatory and inflaming buzzwords can change that, no matter how many you attempt to cram into each paragraph. The unfair advantages (and scams and frauds that go hand in hand as well) are extensively documented and well known, which is why our big tech companies are so high on foreign nationals in the first place, and why their countries of origin love it as well. That being said this bill is an excellent step towards bringing jobs and manufacturing back to where they belong: the USA.
- N1H1L 5y agoWhat fair or unfair advantages? Nobody is toxically gaslighting you. Just pointing out that your assertions are fact free xenophobia.
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- netheril96 5y ago> This would benefit Indians and Chinese nationals the most. Many Chinese are actually against removing the per country green card limits, because Indian applicants are so many times more that keeping the status quo actually give Chinese a better chance of success. But that was before the cap removal is limited to PhD only. I'm not yet updated on the latest stance.
- m463 5y ago> 2) The bill would exempt applicants holding a PhD in a STEM field from the annual per-country green card limits I wonder if low-quality offshore post-hole-digger diploma mills can create a loophole for this requirement.
- N1H1L 5y agoThe updated version of the law would restrict this only to R1/R2 US universities. No foreign university, even Cambridge/Oxford would be eligible. See https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=33C34A26-61BD-4B5D-91C7-FCD55789FAAD https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&Fil... Page 218, lines 3 to 9: QUALIFYING INSTITUTIONS .—The term ‘‘qualifying institutions’’ means institutions of higher education that are classified as either very-high research intensive (R1) or high research intensive (R2) status universities by the Carnegie Classification of Academic Institutions.
- bubblethink 5y agoThis sounds reasonable in that the current system probably has similar requirements in place for the CPT/OPT route. I think the text also says "(bb) from a foreign institution if such degree is the equivalent to a degree issued by a qualified United States research institution" which is murky. The likelihood of any of this passing are slim though.
- phendrenad2 5y ago> The bill would exempt applicants holding a PhD in a STEM field from the annual per-country green card limits, enabling them to quickly apply for permanent residency without being subject to the availability of an immigrant visa Watch as this one gets limited and watered down. Foreign PhD graduates are a cheap labor force for STEM universities.