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There's also webkit, though there is no webkit browser on Windows, as far as I know. I do use Firefox, but Mozilla really goes out of their way to betray their

by least 5y ago

There's also webkit, though there is no webkit browser on Windows, as far as I know. I do use Firefox, but Mozilla really goes out of their way to betray their core audience more and more with addons like Pocket being integrated into the browser along with advertisements in the new tab window. In either case it always feels like no matter what browser I'm using there are huge tradeoffs in one sense or another, which I never felt when I originally started using Firefox early on or early Chrome.

LeoPanthera 5y ago
> there is no webkit browser on Windows But there is for every other OS. Macs can use Safari, obviously. On Linux, KDE users (or other Qt based desktops) can use Falkon, and GNOME users (or other GTK based desktops) can use GNOME Web.
- least 5y ago
  Yeah, I didn't mention Linux because there are actual builds that are baked into many systems or easily installed. On Windows there seems to be a way to run webkit, but not viably as a daily driver web browser. Webkit browsers in linux feel a bit half baked as well, though, when you compare it against Firefox and Chromium.
  - LeoPanthera 5y ago
    > Webkit browsers in linux feel a bit half baked as well, though, when you compare it against Firefox and Chromium. They're just browsers. They don't have built-in web services, they don't dial home, they don't sync your history and bookmarks with some unknown service. Frankly, this is a positive.
    - least 5y ago
      Yes, but they’re also not extensible as far as I know, which is the much bigger issue with them. If you don’t find yourself needing extensions that’s just fine but I rely on several to make my web browsing experience better or more useful.
      - boogies 5y ago
        I’m writing this comment in luakit. It doesn’t support extensions from any other browser’s extension repos AFAIK, but the extensions it comes with out of the box (though they’re not all enabled by default) cover ~80% of the things I use extensions for in Firefox, and the things they do cover kind of work better. I miss cosmetic filters from µBO and should implement something like Privacy Redirect, but vertical tabs work more easily (they don’t require hacking around user.css to disable horizontal ones, though there are no tree-style ones), there’s a simple Stylus alternative, userscript support, JS whitelisting/toggling with a modifier-free binding, and of course native vi/Pentadactyl-like bindings which make extension-provided ones feel viscerally painful (they’re not eviscerated whenever a page is in the process of loading or unloadable, and searching stays incremental).
tormock 5y ago
> I do use Firefox, but Mozilla really goes out of their way to betray their core audience more and more with addons like Pocket being integrated into the browser along with advertisements in the new tab window. They also removed many useful features and hide useful settings... (one example being the RSS feed finding feature .... luckily there's an addon that you can install that does a pretty good job, it is called Awesome RSS)
jefftk 5y ago
> there is no webkit browser on Windows WebKit does build on Windows, and it's possible to use bare WebKit: https://schepp.dev/posts/running-webkit-on-windows/ https://schepp.dev/posts/running-webkit-on-windows/

by least 5y ago

LeoPanthera 5y ago

> there is no webkit browser on Windows But there is for every other OS. Macs can use Safari, obviously. On Linux, KDE users (or other Qt based desktops) can use Falkon, and GNOME users (or other GTK based desktops) can use GNOME Web.

least 5y ago
Yeah, I didn't mention Linux because there are actual builds that are baked into many systems or easily installed. On Windows there seems to be a way to run webkit, but not viably as a daily driver web browser. Webkit browsers in linux feel a bit half baked as well, though, when you compare it against Firefox and Chromium.
- LeoPanthera 5y ago
  > Webkit browsers in linux feel a bit half baked as well, though, when you compare it against Firefox and Chromium. They're just browsers. They don't have built-in web services, they don't dial home, they don't sync your history and bookmarks with some unknown service. Frankly, this is a positive.
  - least 5y ago
    Yes, but they’re also not extensible as far as I know, which is the much bigger issue with them. If you don’t find yourself needing extensions that’s just fine but I rely on several to make my web browsing experience better or more useful.
    - boogies 5y ago
      I’m writing this comment in luakit. It doesn’t support extensions from any other browser’s extension repos AFAIK, but the extensions it comes with out of the box (though they’re not all enabled by default) cover ~80% of the things I use extensions for in Firefox, and the things they do cover kind of work better. I miss cosmetic filters from µBO and should implement something like Privacy Redirect, but vertical tabs work more easily (they don’t require hacking around user.css to disable horizontal ones, though there are no tree-style ones), there’s a simple Stylus alternative, userscript support, JS whitelisting/toggling with a modifier-free binding, and of course native vi/Pentadactyl-like bindings which make extension-provided ones feel viscerally painful (they’re not eviscerated whenever a page is in the process of loading or unloadable, and searching stays incremental).

tormock 5y ago

> I do use Firefox, but Mozilla really goes out of their way to betray their core audience more and more with addons like Pocket being integrated into the browser along with advertisements in the new tab window. They also removed many useful features and hide useful settings... (one example being the RSS feed finding feature .... luckily there's an addon that you can install that does a pretty good job, it is called Awesome RSS)

jefftk 5y ago

> there is no webkit browser on Windows WebKit does build on Windows, and it's possible to use bare WebKit: https://schepp.dev/posts/running-webkit-on-windows/ https://schepp.dev/posts/running-webkit-on-windows/