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>Now, that produces bad other results, but so does allowing people's homes to be ripped away from them at a moments notice. What an entitled viewpoint. It's n

>Now, that produces bad other results, but so does allowing people's homes to be ripped away from them at a moments notice. What an entitled viewpoint. It's not their home; an entirely different person owns it and they failed to hold up to their end of the contract for the terms under which the owner agreed to let them occupy it. The person having their home ripped away at a moment's notice is the landlord.

HWR_14 5y ago
> It's not their home; an entirely different person owns it It's not their house. It certainly is their home. I would prefer those be the same person as often as possible to align incentives. > they failed to hold up to their end of the contract for the terms under which the owner agreed to let them occupy it Tenants, like many contract participants, have legal rights that cannot be waived (see also minimum wage.) They also have contractual rights due to the contract. It's not uncommon for landlords to be the first party to breach the contract either intentionally (e.g. losing checks to move a tenant at below market rates out), neglectfully (e.g. ignoring upkeep or repairs) or unintentionally (e.g. entering at will). Certainly, withholding rent from a breaching landlord is appropriate while the breach is resolved. > The person having their home ripped away at a moment's notice is the landlord. Unless the landlord lives there, the landlord's home is unrelated to the property.
- notch656a 5y ago
  >It's not their house. It certainly is their home. I would prefer those be the same person as often as possible to align incentives. If you take something you're obliged to pay for without paying for it, it isn't "yours." >Tenants, like many contract participants, have legal rights that cannot be waived (see also minimum wage.) They also have contractual rights due to the contract. Minimum wage is another thing that crushes the poor, as do eviction protections. Both serve to make jobs/housing (respectively) more difficult for the poor to acquire via regulatory barriers. >Certainly, withholding rent from a breaching landlord is appropriate while the breach is resolved. Conversely, withholding housing from a breaching tenant is appropriate. >Unless the landlord lives there, the landlord's home is unrelated to the property. In the US, "Home" can simply mean a house [1]. My apologies if you're using a different dialect of English and I misunderstood; I was using home as it's used in one common interpretation of the word in English in my country. [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/home https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/home : refer to 1b
  - tom_ 5y ago
    'Home' and 'house' are perhaps synonymous when preceded by the indefinite article. In the abstract, a house and a home can be considered the same thing. A house is, at least in principle, a home for somebody. But you can't call a rental property the landlord's home, since the key characteristic of somebody's home is that it's the place they live.
    - notch656a 5y ago
      Nearly every landlord I have interacted with when renting single family housing has referred to the house he is renting as a 'home' even when no one was living in it. I understand local dialects may be differ.

HWR_14 5y ago

> It's not their home; an entirely different person owns it It's not their house. It certainly is their home. I would prefer those be the same person as often as possible to align incentives. > they failed to hold up to their end of the contract for the terms under which the owner agreed to let them occupy it Tenants, like many contract participants, have legal rights that cannot be waived (see also minimum wage.) They also have contractual rights due to the contract. It's not uncommon for landlords to be the first party to breach the contract either intentionally (e.g. losing checks to move a tenant at below market rates out), neglectfully (e.g. ignoring upkeep or repairs) or unintentionally (e.g. entering at will). Certainly, withholding rent from a breaching landlord is appropriate while the breach is resolved. > The person having their home ripped away at a moment's notice is the landlord. Unless the landlord lives there, the landlord's home is unrelated to the property.

notch656a 5y ago
>It's not their house. It certainly is their home. I would prefer those be the same person as often as possible to align incentives. If you take something you're obliged to pay for without paying for it, it isn't "yours." >Tenants, like many contract participants, have legal rights that cannot be waived (see also minimum wage.) They also have contractual rights due to the contract. Minimum wage is another thing that crushes the poor, as do eviction protections. Both serve to make jobs/housing (respectively) more difficult for the poor to acquire via regulatory barriers. >Certainly, withholding rent from a breaching landlord is appropriate while the breach is resolved. Conversely, withholding housing from a breaching tenant is appropriate. >Unless the landlord lives there, the landlord's home is unrelated to the property. In the US, "Home" can simply mean a house [1]. My apologies if you're using a different dialect of English and I misunderstood; I was using home as it's used in one common interpretation of the word in English in my country. [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/home https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/home : refer to 1b
- tom_ 5y ago
  'Home' and 'house' are perhaps synonymous when preceded by the indefinite article. In the abstract, a house and a home can be considered the same thing. A house is, at least in principle, a home for somebody. But you can't call a rental property the landlord's home, since the key characteristic of somebody's home is that it's the place they live.
  - notch656a 5y ago
    Nearly every landlord I have interacted with when renting single family housing has referred to the house he is renting as a 'home' even when no one was living in it. I understand local dialects may be differ.