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> Very basic housing should be free. Please publish where you have developed and built all this free housing so that everyone that wants to live there can enjo

by lolsal 5y ago

> Very basic housing should be free. Please publish where you have developed and built all this free housing so that everyone that wants to live there can enjoy this right.

tacLog 5y ago
I mean your are assuming that with free housing you retain a right to live where you want to live. I am NOT saying we should build this free housing in one area and stick people there: (see the many failed public housing attempts) But there are more options available than everyone getting free housing in the bay area, CA.
- lolsal 5y ago
  > I mean your are assuming that with free housing you retain a right to live where you want to live. I'm not sure why you think that; I never said that anywhere. > But there are more options available than everyone getting free housing in the bay area, CA. Cool, are you going to volunteer to leave your hometown and family to live in this free basic housing? Plenty of land in west Texas if you need space.
trasz 5y ago
It’s called social housing and is available in many countries, such as UK. It’s often not literally free, but several times cheaper than market prices.
- lolsal 5y ago
  > It’s often not literally free Ok, cool. Not what we're discussing though.
chaorace 5y ago
"Free" housing isn't charity or magic. It's a public service paid for by society for the benefit of society. Feel free to criticize the core value proposition, but please don't paint it as some impossible fantasy.
- lolsal 5y ago
  > "Free" housing isn't charity or magic. It's a public service paid for by society for the benefit of society. Feel free to criticize the core value proposition, but please don't paint it as some impossible fantasy. I understand it's a service paid for by society. I think it's great that you think that too! A service provided by society is not a right though. I'm all for creating a lot of affordable housing, as soon as we define what "basic" means, and agree to who will pay for it (likely us citizens through taxes) and what sort of requirements there will be to be allotted some of this "free" housing. If we take "basic housing is a right" off the table and replace it with "as a wealthy society, we should levy taxes to provide housing to everyone that wants housing," that's something I can get behind. Stop calling it free. Stop calling it a right. Then I'm on board

by lolsal 5y ago

> Very basic housing should be free. Please publish where you have developed and built all this free housing so that everyone that wants to live there can enjoy this right.

tacLog 5y ago

I mean your are assuming that with free housing you retain a right to live where you want to live. I am NOT saying we should build this free housing in one area and stick people there: (see the many failed public housing attempts) But there are more options available than everyone getting free housing in the bay area, CA.

lolsal 5y ago
> I mean your are assuming that with free housing you retain a right to live where you want to live. I'm not sure why you think that; I never said that anywhere. > But there are more options available than everyone getting free housing in the bay area, CA. Cool, are you going to volunteer to leave your hometown and family to live in this free basic housing? Plenty of land in west Texas if you need space.

trasz 5y ago

It’s called social housing and is available in many countries, such as UK. It’s often not literally free, but several times cheaper than market prices.

lolsal 5y ago
> It’s often not literally free Ok, cool. Not what we're discussing though.

chaorace 5y ago

"Free" housing isn't charity or magic. It's a public service paid for by society for the benefit of society. Feel free to criticize the core value proposition, but please don't paint it as some impossible fantasy.

lolsal 5y ago
> "Free" housing isn't charity or magic. It's a public service paid for by society for the benefit of society. Feel free to criticize the core value proposition, but please don't paint it as some impossible fantasy. I understand it's a service paid for by society. I think it's great that you think that too! A service provided by society is not a right though. I'm all for creating a lot of affordable housing, as soon as we define what "basic" means, and agree to who will pay for it (likely us citizens through taxes) and what sort of requirements there will be to be allotted some of this "free" housing. If we take "basic housing is a right" off the table and replace it with "as a wealthy society, we should levy taxes to provide housing to everyone that wants housing," that's something I can get behind. Stop calling it free. Stop calling it a right. Then I'm on board