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Yes, any of my several jobs that had clear rules and guidelines. I know what behavior is unacceptable and I could report a manager or director if I felt the nee

Yes, any of my several jobs that had clear rules and guidelines. I know what behavior is unacceptable and I could report a manager or director if I felt the need. I know I'm entitled to X days off a year and I have reason to complain if I'm not able to take that time off. I know how much my salary is and so on and so on. Regular jobs and schools will never be democratic because college students and employees don't have a direct say; at most they can encourage (within what limits their leadership allows) or quit. If you enjoy being in an unstructured environment, that's great. You would've loved my first job. I hate it. The more rules and bureaucracy a job has, the more I thrive. I don't care about democracy, I care about living my life as simply as possible, and rigid, plentiful rules are my preferred way of living.

kqr 5y ago
Is your salary also determined by a clear function of years of experience? Do you know what your manager makes? Has anyone explained exactly how the number of days of vacation you get was determined? What's the process if you're unhappy with that? I get that it's very convenient to have fair and clear rules and formulae for everything. What I'm saying is that in practise, that's not actually what happens. What looks like clear rules, once you dig a level deeper, rarely is. In practise, the rules are almost always limited in their extent, arbitrary, and opaquely decided by the people in power in ways that disadvantage people not in power. Unfair rules are rarely changed or removed but generally just appended with more complex, opaque additional rules.
- silicon2401 5y ago
  > Is your salary also determined by a clear function of years of experience? No, it's determined via negotiation, which is fine by me. If there was a clear function, I'd be even happier. > Do you know what your manager makes? No, and I don't care, I just care about making as much as I can get away with and knowing what to expect. If there was some formula, I'd be even happier with that. > Has anyone explained exactly how the number of days of vacation you get was determined? No, and I don't care if they rolled a set of dice to determine it, I just want as much as I can get away with, and to know how many I can use. If they > What's the process if you're unhappy with that? I suck it up or find another job, which I'm fine with > What looks like clear rules, once you dig a level deeper, rarely is. Which of my rules do you think are unclear? I can assure you I take off the time I'm entitled to and my paychecks so far have added up correctly. > opaquely decided by the people in power in ways that disadvantage people not in power. Unfair rules are rarely changed or removed but generally just appended with more complex, opaque additional rules. We seem to be discussing different points. In settings like university or work, I don't care how rules are determined, I just want them to exist and be clear. You seem to care a lot about how they're determined, which I literally couldn't care less about.

kqr 5y ago

Is your salary also determined by a clear function of years of experience? Do you know what your manager makes? Has anyone explained exactly how the number of days of vacation you get was determined? What's the process if you're unhappy with that? I get that it's very convenient to have fair and clear rules and formulae for everything. What I'm saying is that in practise, that's not actually what happens. What looks like clear rules, once you dig a level deeper, rarely is. In practise, the rules are almost always limited in their extent, arbitrary, and opaquely decided by the people in power in ways that disadvantage people not in power. Unfair rules are rarely changed or removed but generally just appended with more complex, opaque additional rules.

silicon2401 5y ago
> Is your salary also determined by a clear function of years of experience? No, it's determined via negotiation, which is fine by me. If there was a clear function, I'd be even happier. > Do you know what your manager makes? No, and I don't care, I just care about making as much as I can get away with and knowing what to expect. If there was some formula, I'd be even happier with that. > Has anyone explained exactly how the number of days of vacation you get was determined? No, and I don't care if they rolled a set of dice to determine it, I just want as much as I can get away with, and to know how many I can use. If they > What's the process if you're unhappy with that? I suck it up or find another job, which I'm fine with > What looks like clear rules, once you dig a level deeper, rarely is. Which of my rules do you think are unclear? I can assure you I take off the time I'm entitled to and my paychecks so far have added up correctly. > opaquely decided by the people in power in ways that disadvantage people not in power. Unfair rules are rarely changed or removed but generally just appended with more complex, opaque additional rules. We seem to be discussing different points. In settings like university or work, I don't care how rules are determined, I just want them to exist and be clear. You seem to care a lot about how they're determined, which I literally couldn't care less about.