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Try refusing to comply with a real warrant because you aren’t convinced that it’s real. You will go to jail. Turns out the government actually has no duty to c

Try refusing to comply with a real warrant because you aren’t convinced that it’s real. You will go to jail. Turns out the government actually has no duty to convince you, locking you up tends to be convincing enough.

R0b0t1 5y ago
They'll lose their case if all they did was call you and make a demand. Expecting them to show up in person in some capacity and show you the paperwork is fully reasonable. For a while they mostly operated with letters and sometimes registered mail but that can be faked also. Look, if you want to preserve your rights you've gotta stand up for them.
- rosndo 5y ago
  This is so deeply wrong. You will go to jail if you act like this. > Look, if you want to preserve your rights you've gotta stand up for them. You have absolutely no such right to refuse to comply with subpoenas, search warrants or court orders not delivered via your preferred means. > Expecting them to show up in person in some capacity and show you the paperwork is fully reasonable It’s not reasonable, because actual judges will not partake in such games. They will just hold you in contempt. It might sound reasonable to a layman, but your lawyer will think you’ve gone crazy.
  - R0b0t1 5y ago
    The only real reason you get charged with contempt is for ignoring the warrant. If you try to verify it you're not ignoring it. If you ignore something that's not a warrant they're SoL. It's my understanding these "emergency requests" have no legal basis. The ability of the state to pressgang people into service is very limited. I'm willing to agree the law is crap and you might go to jail (briefly) anyway, but that's not an excuse for "it should work this way" which is the direction everyone seems to be taking it.
    - rosndo 5y ago
      Don’t get stuck on the “emergency requests”, the people faking those are perfectly happy to fake court orders too. > but that's not an excuse for "it should work this way" which is the direction everyone seems to be taking it. I see many people arguing that the recipients should solve this problem by doing better verification, I don’t think that’s reasonable. This is absolutely something that the lawmakers need to fix, but that will be a herculean task.
      - R0b0t1 5y ago
        I'm aware they'll fake court orders too, which is your defense if you piss off the court. Sadly this is only an issue that can be solved by the recipients doing more verification. If the courts offered more verification, you still need to teach the recipients to make use of it.

R0b0t1 5y ago

They'll lose their case if all they did was call you and make a demand. Expecting them to show up in person in some capacity and show you the paperwork is fully reasonable. For a while they mostly operated with letters and sometimes registered mail but that can be faked also. Look, if you want to preserve your rights you've gotta stand up for them.

rosndo 5y ago
This is so deeply wrong. You will go to jail if you act like this. > Look, if you want to preserve your rights you've gotta stand up for them. You have absolutely no such right to refuse to comply with subpoenas, search warrants or court orders not delivered via your preferred means. > Expecting them to show up in person in some capacity and show you the paperwork is fully reasonable It’s not reasonable, because actual judges will not partake in such games. They will just hold you in contempt. It might sound reasonable to a layman, but your lawyer will think you’ve gone crazy.
- R0b0t1 5y ago
  The only real reason you get charged with contempt is for ignoring the warrant. If you try to verify it you're not ignoring it. If you ignore something that's not a warrant they're SoL. It's my understanding these "emergency requests" have no legal basis. The ability of the state to pressgang people into service is very limited. I'm willing to agree the law is crap and you might go to jail (briefly) anyway, but that's not an excuse for "it should work this way" which is the direction everyone seems to be taking it.
  - rosndo 5y ago
    Don’t get stuck on the “emergency requests”, the people faking those are perfectly happy to fake court orders too. > but that's not an excuse for "it should work this way" which is the direction everyone seems to be taking it. I see many people arguing that the recipients should solve this problem by doing better verification, I don’t think that’s reasonable. This is absolutely something that the lawmakers need to fix, but that will be a herculean task.
    - R0b0t1 5y ago
      I'm aware they'll fake court orders too, which is your defense if you piss off the court. Sadly this is only an issue that can be solved by the recipients doing more verification. If the courts offered more verification, you still need to teach the recipients to make use of it.