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>Dunn said some of the scoring models he’s seen while litigating cases on behalf of tenants are crude, giving so much weight to factors like eviction, criminal

>Dunn said some of the scoring models he’s seen while litigating cases on behalf of tenants are crude, giving so much weight to factors like eviction, criminal history or debt that a person whose record includes even one of those things would get a negative recommendation. I agree with the issues of transparency, but not with the models themselves. I absolutely would not rent property to someone who has a recent criminal record, a recent eviction, or a risky credit profile. Tough eviction laws make it too risky to select the wrong tenant. It could take months to remove a non-paying tenant in some cities.

Consultant32452 5y ago
Don't forget we now have to "price in" occasional years long eviction moratoriums.
- tacLog 5y ago
  Do you think this tool will be used again for less urgent issues than Covid was?
  - Consultant32452 5y ago
    I'm not sure how to answer your question because it seems obvious to me that Covid was not the cause of the moratoriums.
    - tacLog 5y ago
      I am completely at a loss to what your referring to then. I know of eviction moratoriums that occurred after covid. It was sold as a way to avoid a massive surge in displaced people from job loss. At the time I thought it was strange that this was the best solution because as you said it put the cost on landlords which in my opinion hurts smaller landlords the most. I don't really see what else could have been the cause but I guess I will rephrase: - Why do you think this tool was used if not for Covid? (It was as least sold to the public that way right) - Do you think now that it's been done once that it will happen again?
      - parkingrift 5y ago
        Not OP but now that’s it’s happened, it will happen again. I would personally not be surprised to see some cities and states clamp down on evictions during the next recession, heat wave, drought, or similar. These politicians are quick to take new powers and slow to give them back.
      - mynameishere 5y ago
        He's simply pointing out that Covid was a just a BS excuse for politicians to transfer money from landlords to deadbeat tenants (thereby inducing people to become deadbeats).
        Consultant32452 5y ago
        Exactly. Government policies created an economic crisis. Then government policies exacerbated the economic crisis by doing things like eviction moratoriums.
incahoots 5y ago
>I absolutely would not rent property to someone who has a recent criminal record This include ANY record, or just the violent ones? Curious how you would interpret a "disorderly conduct" charge/conviction, considering it's an umbrella term used by police to slap on any individual they deem difficult. For example, I had a conviction of disorderly conduct which resulted in a fine. All because I refused to ID myself to a LEO that demanded I comply even though I was under no suspicion of a crime or that I was about to commit one. Additionally I do not reside in a stop & identify state. How would you interpret that if I were to submit a rental application and my other prerequisites were in line (mid tier job, mid 700 credit score)?
- parkingrift 5y ago
  I don't have any property to rent so it's purely hypothetical, but I would only be concerned with violent crimes, vandalism, or theft.
- skwirl 5y ago
  I'm not the person you are replying to, but I would definitely interpret that negatively. First of all, I'm not going to take your word for it on the details. I don't know you and everyone convicted of a a crime insists they are innocent or otherwise in the right. I'd actually feel better about someone who expressed remorse over the situation. Even if I believed you, you are still telling me that you are a generally difficult person to deal with. I would not want to rent to a tenant who goes out of their way to unnecessarily flex their rights because in my state a tenant can make their landlord's life hell that way. I'd want reasonable tenants who I can be sure will pay their rent and leave when their lease is up.
- ilikehurdles 5y ago
  While I wouldn't think much of "disorderly conduct", with the amount of tenants around and it being, you know, my property, why should I take a risk on someone with a criminal past when I may have a dozen competing applicants many of whom may come in clean and have good credit? It's on the applicant to make a compelling case for themselves.

Consultant32452 5y ago

Don't forget we now have to "price in" occasional years long eviction moratoriums.

tacLog 5y ago
Do you think this tool will be used again for less urgent issues than Covid was?
- Consultant32452 5y ago
  I'm not sure how to answer your question because it seems obvious to me that Covid was not the cause of the moratoriums.
  - tacLog 5y ago
    I am completely at a loss to what your referring to then. I know of eviction moratoriums that occurred after covid. It was sold as a way to avoid a massive surge in displaced people from job loss. At the time I thought it was strange that this was the best solution because as you said it put the cost on landlords which in my opinion hurts smaller landlords the most. I don't really see what else could have been the cause but I guess I will rephrase: - Why do you think this tool was used if not for Covid? (It was as least sold to the public that way right) - Do you think now that it's been done once that it will happen again?
    - parkingrift 5y ago
      Not OP but now that’s it’s happened, it will happen again. I would personally not be surprised to see some cities and states clamp down on evictions during the next recession, heat wave, drought, or similar. These politicians are quick to take new powers and slow to give them back.
    - mynameishere 5y ago
      He's simply pointing out that Covid was a just a BS excuse for politicians to transfer money from landlords to deadbeat tenants (thereby inducing people to become deadbeats).
      - Consultant32452 5y ago
        Exactly. Government policies created an economic crisis. Then government policies exacerbated the economic crisis by doing things like eviction moratoriums.

incahoots 5y ago

>I absolutely would not rent property to someone who has a recent criminal record This include ANY record, or just the violent ones? Curious how you would interpret a "disorderly conduct" charge/conviction, considering it's an umbrella term used by police to slap on any individual they deem difficult. For example, I had a conviction of disorderly conduct which resulted in a fine. All because I refused to ID myself to a LEO that demanded I comply even though I was under no suspicion of a crime or that I was about to commit one. Additionally I do not reside in a stop & identify state. How would you interpret that if I were to submit a rental application and my other prerequisites were in line (mid tier job, mid 700 credit score)?

parkingrift 5y ago
I don't have any property to rent so it's purely hypothetical, but I would only be concerned with violent crimes, vandalism, or theft.
skwirl 5y ago
I'm not the person you are replying to, but I would definitely interpret that negatively. First of all, I'm not going to take your word for it on the details. I don't know you and everyone convicted of a a crime insists they are innocent or otherwise in the right. I'd actually feel better about someone who expressed remorse over the situation. Even if I believed you, you are still telling me that you are a generally difficult person to deal with. I would not want to rent to a tenant who goes out of their way to unnecessarily flex their rights because in my state a tenant can make their landlord's life hell that way. I'd want reasonable tenants who I can be sure will pay their rent and leave when their lease is up.
ilikehurdles 5y ago
While I wouldn't think much of "disorderly conduct", with the amount of tenants around and it being, you know, my property, why should I take a risk on someone with a criminal past when I may have a dozen competing applicants many of whom may come in clean and have good credit? It's on the applicant to make a compelling case for themselves.