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Awesome! Glad this is finally out, and really looking forward to seeing what features the React team adds in follow-up releases. The Working Group model reall

Awesome! Glad this is finally out, and really looking forward to seeing what features the React team adds in follow-up releases. The Working Group model really helped us in the community give feedback - APIs like `useSyncExternalStore` wouldn't have happened otherwise, and I really appreciate the responsiveness on that topic. FWIW, React-Redux v8 is in beta right now: - https://github.com/reduxjs/react-redux/releases https://github.com/reduxjs/react-redux/releases I think it's basically ready to go, but I haven't had a chance to really test out the SSR support I added a couple months ago. I'd love to have some help testing that out. v7 will _run_ with React 18, but v8 has been specifically reworked to behave correctly when used with React's new "Concurrent Rendering" capabilities. We've also converted React-Redux itself to TS (no more separate types package). Ideally, I'd like to release v8 as final in the next week or two.

mikewhy 5y ago
> no more separate types package woo! and a module to augment!
rememberlenny 5y ago
Thank you Mark for your selfless work to push this project forward. RTK Toolkit was an absolute game changer and has been a foundation that our product would suffer immensely without.
- shoulderfake 5y ago
  Mark is by far the most selfless oss maintainer I've come across. Hats off.
kovek 5y ago
IIRC mobx is much easier to use than Redux. Any thoughts on this?
- acemarke 5y ago
  Mobx and Redux Toolkit have some relatively similar capabilities. It largely depends on whether you prefer FP-style code and explicit logic (Redux), or OOP-style code and implicit update behavior (Mobx). Any particular aspects of Mobx you feel are easier to use, or parts of Redux you feel are harder? FWIW if you haven't looked at Redux recently, it's changed dramatically in the last couple years. "Modern Redux" with Redux Toolkit and the React-Redux hooks API is _much_ easier to use than the older-style "hand-written" patterns. With RTK, there's no `const ADD_TODO = "ADD_TODO"`, separate action creators, or object spreads for immutable updates. RTK's `createSlice` auto-generates action creators for you, and includes Immer for "mutating" immutable updates in reducers. You can see the differences in our rewritten Redux docs tutorials: - https://redux.js.org/tutorials/fundamentals/part-8-modern-redux https://redux.js.org/tutorials/fundamentals/part-8-modern-re... - https://redux.js.org/tutorials/essentials/part-2-app-structure https://redux.js.org/tutorials/essentials/part-2-app-structu... Also note that last year we released a new RTK Query data fetching and caching API that's included in Redux Toolkit, which is a full-featured data caching abstraction. Define some API endpoints, get React query and mutation hooks automatically: - https://redux.js.org/tutorials/essentials/part-7-rtk-query-basics https://redux.js.org/tutorials/essentials/part-7-rtk-query-b... - https://redux-toolkit.js.org/rtk-query/overview https://redux-toolkit.js.org/rtk-query/overview To be clear, Mobx is a great library, as are other packages like Zustand, Jotai, XState, and React Query. You should use whatever works best for your own use cases and preferences. But, it's also true that most people's opinions of Redux are based on the older patterns that have been obsolete since 2019, and we get a ton of highly positive feedback about RTK on a daily basis, with people telling us how much they love to use it.
  - airtonix 5y ago
    I think no-one cares anymore... especially now that mobx-keystone exists.
  - huckyaus 5y ago
    The fact that you still have the energy to reply to all these "isn't Redux bad/old/dead?" comments is a testament to the patience it must have taken to get this release out. Thanks for all your efforts.
  - 5y ago

mikewhy 5y ago

> no more separate types package woo! and a module to augment!

rememberlenny 5y ago

Thank you Mark for your selfless work to push this project forward. RTK Toolkit was an absolute game changer and has been a foundation that our product would suffer immensely without.

shoulderfake 5y ago
Mark is by far the most selfless oss maintainer I've come across. Hats off.

kovek 5y ago

IIRC mobx is much easier to use than Redux. Any thoughts on this?

acemarke 5y ago
Mobx and Redux Toolkit have some relatively similar capabilities. It largely depends on whether you prefer FP-style code and explicit logic (Redux), or OOP-style code and implicit update behavior (Mobx). Any particular aspects of Mobx you feel are easier to use, or parts of Redux you feel are harder? FWIW if you haven't looked at Redux recently, it's changed dramatically in the last couple years. "Modern Redux" with Redux Toolkit and the React-Redux hooks API is _much_ easier to use than the older-style "hand-written" patterns. With RTK, there's no `const ADD_TODO = "ADD_TODO"`, separate action creators, or object spreads for immutable updates. RTK's `createSlice` auto-generates action creators for you, and includes Immer for "mutating" immutable updates in reducers. You can see the differences in our rewritten Redux docs tutorials: - https://redux.js.org/tutorials/fundamentals/part-8-modern-redux https://redux.js.org/tutorials/fundamentals/part-8-modern-re... - https://redux.js.org/tutorials/essentials/part-2-app-structure https://redux.js.org/tutorials/essentials/part-2-app-structu... Also note that last year we released a new RTK Query data fetching and caching API that's included in Redux Toolkit, which is a full-featured data caching abstraction. Define some API endpoints, get React query and mutation hooks automatically: - https://redux.js.org/tutorials/essentials/part-7-rtk-query-basics https://redux.js.org/tutorials/essentials/part-7-rtk-query-b... - https://redux-toolkit.js.org/rtk-query/overview https://redux-toolkit.js.org/rtk-query/overview To be clear, Mobx is a great library, as are other packages like Zustand, Jotai, XState, and React Query. You should use whatever works best for your own use cases and preferences. But, it's also true that most people's opinions of Redux are based on the older patterns that have been obsolete since 2019, and we get a ton of highly positive feedback about RTK on a daily basis, with people telling us how much they love to use it.
- airtonix 5y ago
  I think no-one cares anymore... especially now that mobx-keystone exists.
- huckyaus 5y ago
  The fact that you still have the energy to reply to all these "isn't Redux bad/old/dead?" comments is a testament to the patience it must have taken to get this release out. Thanks for all your efforts.
- 5y ago