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Well, we can start to answer this question by examining the first sentence of this article. "Putin's attack on Ukraine was non-provoked act of state terrorism

Well, we can start to answer this question by examining the first sentence of this article. "Putin's attack on Ukraine was non-provoked act of state terrorism what can't be denied by any literate human." This is false. People who live in Russia, particularly those close to the Western border, know this. The Ukrainian nationalist government has been bombing the Donbass region on Russia's borders for 8 years, killing 14,000 since 2014, all the while fomenting anti-Russian sentiment within Ukraine, jailing/fining ethnic Russians for speaking their language, and becoming a stockpile for NATO weapons.

goatsneez 5y ago
The question in the title is perhaps somewhat loaded (unintentionally perhaps) as it assumes an answer. Maybe better to say, it assumes a narrative which is automatically tabu to examine, hence arriving at the apparent dissonance and illogical conclusion that is contained in the question. It reminds me basically the same question asked in US media with respect to middle east wars it initiated ("Why do they hate us? -- to which the western narrative finds an answer to in "they hate our freedom and democracy"). Does middle eastern people really hate US freedoms? (does anyone seriously believe that?) I have many middle eastern friends, some of which did live through these wars, and none hate US freedom (on the contrary they love US freedom as an ideal! They hate something completely different about US ...) My first attempt to start a dialog on this topic would be to point out that nobody sane actually supports targeting/killing civilians in any war. Not even the people who would affirm to "support Putin". The colleagues in the US should think about the question in a plane that is basically a common in US culture: "we support our troops". Does that mean that average soccer mom in the US support maiming Iraqi children with depleted uranium rounds, or with cluster bombs, .. or that time US convoy ran over Iraqi children with humwees in order not to stop moving? Of cause not, nobody does support that, and to any human irrespective of nationality or religion (free of psycho-pathological and other mental disorders) it breaks heart to even consider a reality of that. All people I know on either side of this political issue -- which is what the question is actually about -- hate war and are rightfully sickened by its reality. So, a first step (in my mind) is to understand that "we support our troops"/or put ribbon on a display phrase internalized as a collective pride and duty in the USA, actually is the exact same thing for the Russians when they say "we support our troops/or put Z on their display). Again, it has nothing to do with supporting of actual killing of civilians or destruction of civilian lives. Same logic applies to any other nation in terms of collective expression of "support". This very point has yet another aspect that must be factored in. Military is the only thing that can protect civilians shall they find themselves on the other side of the aggression. It is simply unthinkable (from collective psychology point of view) that general population of a state will denounced and hate its own military. The may protest a war (as happens now in Russia or was happening in USA during its adventures), but they cannot hate their own military (again, in a collective kind of way). Well, this is not even scratching a surface, but the question should be read (in my view) differently ... politically, not morally (as I tried to outline). And, I hope, on a political plane (free of moral distractions) we could engage in a good debate in principle... (but that is not for now).

goatsneez 5y ago

The question in the title is perhaps somewhat loaded (unintentionally perhaps) as it assumes an answer. Maybe better to say, it assumes a narrative which is automatically tabu to examine, hence arriving at the apparent dissonance and illogical conclusion that is contained in the question. It reminds me basically the same question asked in US media with respect to middle east wars it initiated ("Why do they hate us? -- to which the western narrative finds an answer to in "they hate our freedom and democracy"). Does middle eastern people really hate US freedoms? (does anyone seriously believe that?) I have many middle eastern friends, some of which did live through these wars, and none hate US freedom (on the contrary they love US freedom as an ideal! They hate something completely different about US ...) My first attempt to start a dialog on this topic would be to point out that nobody sane actually supports targeting/killing civilians in any war. Not even the people who would affirm to "support Putin". The colleagues in the US should think about the question in a plane that is basically a common in US culture: "we support our troops". Does that mean that average soccer mom in the US support maiming Iraqi children with depleted uranium rounds, or with cluster bombs, .. or that time US convoy ran over Iraqi children with humwees in order not to stop moving? Of cause not, nobody does support that, and to any human irrespective of nationality or religion (free of psycho-pathological and other mental disorders) it breaks heart to even consider a reality of that. All people I know on either side of this political issue -- which is what the question is actually about -- hate war and are rightfully sickened by its reality. So, a first step (in my mind) is to understand that "we support our troops"/or put ribbon on a display phrase internalized as a collective pride and duty in the USA, actually is the exact same thing for the Russians when they say "we support our troops/or put Z on their display). Again, it has nothing to do with supporting of actual killing of civilians or destruction of civilian lives. Same logic applies to any other nation in terms of collective expression of "support". This very point has yet another aspect that must be factored in. Military is the only thing that can protect civilians shall they find themselves on the other side of the aggression. It is simply unthinkable (from collective psychology point of view) that general population of a state will denounced and hate its own military. The may protest a war (as happens now in Russia or was happening in USA during its adventures), but they cannot hate their own military (again, in a collective kind of way). Well, this is not even scratching a surface, but the question should be read (in my view) differently ... politically, not morally (as I tried to outline). And, I hope, on a political plane (free of moral distractions) we could engage in a good debate in principle... (but that is not for now).