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except when it comes to force companies out of the USA because of "security reasons". I think Russia is using similar tactics, does it?

by confiq 5y ago

dragontamer 5y ago
Try saying the words "Ukraine War" in Russia. That alone is grounds for getting arrested, possibly disappeared and/or tortured. You have to say "Ukrainian Special Security Operation".
- mardifoufs 5y ago
  This is from the first article I came across on the RT front page right now: >Moscow attacked neighboring Ukraine last month, following a seven-year standoff over Kiev’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the Donbass republics of Donetsk and Lugansk. The German- and French-brokered protocols had been designed to regularize the status of those regions within the Ukrainian state. >Russia has now demanded that Ukraine officially declare itself a neutral country that will never join the US-led NATO military alliance. Kiev insists the Russian offensive was completely unprovoked and has denied claims it was planning to retake the two republics by force. It doesn't seem like they are afraid of getting disappeared for saying russia attacked ukraine.
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  - dragontamer 5y ago
    RT is the propaganda arm of the Russian government operating in other countries. Internal newspapers, such as Novaya Gazeta, have been shut down for saying "war" in print. Just the latest in many papers, radio channels and more that have been silenced in Russia. > It doesn't seem like they are afraid of getting disappeared for saying russia attacked ukraine. They didn't use the word "war".
kergonath 5y ago
“That guy who killed someone is not that bad, because the other guy punched someone and everybody seems happy with that”. Bullshit. The US is an imperialist, sometimes oppressive pseudo-democracy, but nothing like that mafia-run kleptocracy.
- ajsnigrutin 5y ago
  This is a very americo-centric view.... Most of the world consideres americans the "bad guys", and a lot worse than the russians. You can start with southern america and middle east. Then the balkans (where putin is doing the same as you guys did with kosovo). Even parts of africa would have a say. Here in the balkans, people were actively rooting for trump in the last two elections, because they were afraid Hillary would start a new war here...
  - kergonath 5y ago
    You are way off base. First, I am not American and well aware of the imperialist and oppressive aspects. I would be quite happy to see the American hegemony disappear, but not for it to be replaced by Russian aggression or Chinese imperialism. > Most of the world consideres americans the "bad guys", and a lot worse than the russians. You can start with southern america and middle east. Their absurd support for tin pot dictators in South America was and is reprehensible, and the whole Iraq war was morally bankrupt and threw fuel on a fire that we’ll be trying to put out for decades. And yet, nothing the American did in the Middle East came anywhere near Aleppo or Mariupol. Or the Holodomor. Or the Prague spring. > Then the balkans (where putin is doing the same as you guys did with kosovo). Come on, now. You cannot possibly compare Sarajevo (with an actual genocide being carried out, surprisingly, by the side with Russian support) with the charade Putin used as a fig leaf to invade Ukraine. This is pure propaganda. The region would not be any better today had the ethnically cleansing gone all the way to the end, quite the contrary. Europe should have had grown a spine and actually done something. > Here in the balkans, people were actively rooting for trump in the last two elections, because they were afraid Hillary would start a new war here... Well, maybe you did, but that’s not what I heard from my greek friends. The Americans are not complicated to understand, they are going where their interests are. What the hell would they do in the Balkans? That is just stupid.

except when it comes to force companies out of the USA because of "security reasons". I think Russia is using similar tactics, does it?

by confiq 5y ago

except when it comes to force companies out of the USA because of "security reasons". I think Russia is using similar tactics, does it?

dragontamer 5y ago

Try saying the words "Ukraine War" in Russia. That alone is grounds for getting arrested, possibly disappeared and/or tortured. You have to say "Ukrainian Special Security Operation".

mardifoufs 5y ago
This is from the first article I came across on the RT front page right now: >Moscow attacked neighboring Ukraine last month, following a seven-year standoff over Kiev’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the Donbass republics of Donetsk and Lugansk. The German- and French-brokered protocols had been designed to regularize the status of those regions within the Ukrainian state. >Russia has now demanded that Ukraine officially declare itself a neutral country that will never join the US-led NATO military alliance. Kiev insists the Russian offensive was completely unprovoked and has denied claims it was planning to retake the two republics by force. It doesn't seem like they are afraid of getting disappeared for saying russia attacked ukraine.
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- dragontamer 5y ago
  RT is the propaganda arm of the Russian government operating in other countries. Internal newspapers, such as Novaya Gazeta, have been shut down for saying "war" in print. Just the latest in many papers, radio channels and more that have been silenced in Russia. > It doesn't seem like they are afraid of getting disappeared for saying russia attacked ukraine. They didn't use the word "war".

kergonath 5y ago

“That guy who killed someone is not that bad, because the other guy punched someone and everybody seems happy with that”. Bullshit. The US is an imperialist, sometimes oppressive pseudo-democracy, but nothing like that mafia-run kleptocracy.

ajsnigrutin 5y ago
This is a very americo-centric view.... Most of the world consideres americans the "bad guys", and a lot worse than the russians. You can start with southern america and middle east. Then the balkans (where putin is doing the same as you guys did with kosovo). Even parts of africa would have a say. Here in the balkans, people were actively rooting for trump in the last two elections, because they were afraid Hillary would start a new war here...
- kergonath 5y ago
  You are way off base. First, I am not American and well aware of the imperialist and oppressive aspects. I would be quite happy to see the American hegemony disappear, but not for it to be replaced by Russian aggression or Chinese imperialism. > Most of the world consideres americans the "bad guys", and a lot worse than the russians. You can start with southern america and middle east. Their absurd support for tin pot dictators in South America was and is reprehensible, and the whole Iraq war was morally bankrupt and threw fuel on a fire that we’ll be trying to put out for decades. And yet, nothing the American did in the Middle East came anywhere near Aleppo or Mariupol. Or the Holodomor. Or the Prague spring. > Then the balkans (where putin is doing the same as you guys did with kosovo). Come on, now. You cannot possibly compare Sarajevo (with an actual genocide being carried out, surprisingly, by the side with Russian support) with the charade Putin used as a fig leaf to invade Ukraine. This is pure propaganda. The region would not be any better today had the ethnically cleansing gone all the way to the end, quite the contrary. Europe should have had grown a spine and actually done something. > Here in the balkans, people were actively rooting for trump in the last two elections, because they were afraid Hillary would start a new war here... Well, maybe you did, but that’s not what I heard from my greek friends. The Americans are not complicated to understand, they are going where their interests are. What the hell would they do in the Balkans? That is just stupid.