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America elected Trump and then Congress knowingly rejected evidence that he colluded with Putin to defraud voters and steal the election. He then occupied that

America elected Trump and then Congress knowingly rejected evidence that he colluded with Putin to defraud voters and steal the election. He then occupied that office for four years, while additional evidence continued to mount against the increasingly obviousness of Russian interference. Not only did a sitting President betray people and killed millions with anti-masker/anti-vaccine rhetoric, he did so to aid a foreign country that is known for murdering political dissidents, and did so during WW2, during the Cold War, and the post-Soviet era that exists today; but also our Congress, most of those still occupying those seats today, aided and abetted him. What Trump and his Congress did is terrorism without being formally charged with it, and is hardly any different than the pre-Stalin era of Soviet Russia and the pre-Kristallnacht era of the Nazi occupation of Germany. So, please, I'd like you to tell me why you think people shouldn't be seriously alarmed? You sound like all the deniers in the history books: "Oh, the Nazis wouldn't kill Jews and political dissidents", "Oh, Stalin wouldn't (also) kill Jews and political dissidents", "Oh, Chairman Mao wouldn't just starve tens of millions to gratify his own ego". People keep saying this, it keeps not being true. History is a goddamned broken record.

tiahura 5y ago
Congress knowingly rejected evidence that he colluded with Putin to defraud voters and steal the election. You shouldn’t let your personal animosity towards Trump lead to believing misinformation. Mueller finds no collusion with Russia, leaves obstruction question open https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2019/03/mueller-concludes-investigation/ https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2... You should take this opportunity to consider what other things you know to be true about Trump may also be misinformation. The Washington Post corrects, removes parts of two stories regarding the Steele dossier https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/media-washington-post-steele-dossier/2021/11/12/f7c9b770-43d5-11ec-a88e-2aa4632af69b_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/media-washing...
- treeman79 5y ago
  It’s also looking like some of the Bidens are going to jail for what they were accusing Trump. The entire Trump Russia gate was to divert attention from what Hillary / Biden were doing. Oh a laptop was found with solid evidence showing collusion between the Bidens and various countries. Well naturally the same response is to sensor anyone that wants to talk about it and to impeach Trump. https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/03/mainstream-media-outlets-ignore-new-details-in-hunter-biden-scandals/ https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/03/mainstream-media-outle...
  - encryptluks2 5y ago
    Oh please, no one is going to jail. This idea that someone is going to jail is just a boogeyman to create votes come election time.
- DiabloD3 5y ago
  > You shouldn’t let your personal animosity towards Trump lead to believing misinformation. I don't have to. I witnessed several Republican congressmembers go out of their way to announce that no matter what evidence presented is, they had already decided to ignore it and vote against the removal of Trump from office. Now, I can't tell you why they decided to announce their criminal enterprise shortly before enacting it, but a quick Google tells me their names are Cindy Hyde-Smith, Roger Wicker, Thom Tillis, Rob Portman, James Inhofe, Mike Rounds, and Jerry Moran. > Mueller finds no collusion with Russia, leaves obstruction question open https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report is a well cited article. "On March 27, 2019, Mueller reportedly wrote to Barr in a letter, as stated in the New York Times "expressing his and his team's concerns that the attorney general had inadequately portrayed their conclusions".[226] This was first reported on April 30, 2019. Mueller thought that the Barr letter "did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance" of the findings of the special counsel investigation that he led.[227] "There is now public confusion about critical aspects of the results of our investigation". Mueller also requested Barr release the Mueller report's introductions and executive summaries.[228][229]" What you linked to covers Barr's misleading summary of the Muller report. > The Washington Post corrects, removes parts of two stories regarding the Steele dossier Again, Wikipedia has a well cited article on the subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_dossier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_dossier
- Forgeties79 5y ago
  It is well-known that nowhere in the mueller report does he exonerate the president. He leaves it to Congress to determine how to move forward. He explicitly wrote that his investigation did not find him innocent.
encryptluks2 5y ago
I'd encourage you to consider that Democrats and Republicans work in parallel as much as they'd like you to think otherwise to coerce Americans into subscribing to a two-party system. It will continue as long as people believe that if they don't subscribe to it that Democracy will fail and the only thing preventing it from happening is to vote for one of the two-party candidates that fits their propaganda news network approved message. Also, it is funny how when it comes to politics Republicans have moved so far right that now center-right is considered the left party.
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  You say "Democrats and Republicans work in parallel". And then you say "Republicans have moved so far right". Which is it? Also, some Republicans have moved far right. Some Democrats have moved pretty far left, too. I will admit that more Republicans moved than Democrats. But both parties have sections near the center, and both have extreme parts. And both are having trouble maintaining unity in the face of that tension.
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  - Forgeties79 5y ago
    The GOP has been sidelining or primarying out the few they still have near the center tbh.
- DiabloD3 5y ago
  Don't get me wrong, I agree with this. Many Democrats also decided to join the Putin-backed coup attempt, and also voted to not impeach during one or both trials. Many Democrats also tried to claim Hunter Biden, while working for a natural gas company in Ukraine, somehow was up to something and using his dad's appointment as VP for something. Funny how Biden became President, and now Russia is invading Ukraine to maintain their stranglehold on Europe's energy supply, and all the pro-Russian bot accounts on Twitter and Facebook that were repeating the "Hunter's Laptop" and "But Her Emails" stories to divide and conquer, suddenly vanished. I am a socialist, and what both parties do is disgusting, and, honestly, anti-American. Our government has been rapidly degrading my entire lifetime, and the only reasonable action is to ring the alarm bell and hope other people wake up and start fighting the fascism that is threatening to destroy our nation.
pstuart 5y ago
I see your downvotes brother, and feel your pain. The tribalism of politics is fierce, and even a forum with as much collective intelligence as HN is not immune from that force. We should be able to discuss policy and actions on their own merits without it being taken as a personal affront. I wish I could find the magical incantation that would allow that dialog to manifest.
merely-unlikely 5y ago
Total US death count from Covid is up to 975k according to the CDC[1]. [1] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home

tiahura 5y ago

Congress knowingly rejected evidence that he colluded with Putin to defraud voters and steal the election. You shouldn’t let your personal animosity towards Trump lead to believing misinformation. Mueller finds no collusion with Russia, leaves obstruction question open https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2019/03/mueller-concludes-investigation/ https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2... You should take this opportunity to consider what other things you know to be true about Trump may also be misinformation. The Washington Post corrects, removes parts of two stories regarding the Steele dossier https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/media-washington-post-steele-dossier/2021/11/12/f7c9b770-43d5-11ec-a88e-2aa4632af69b_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/media-washing...

treeman79 5y ago
It’s also looking like some of the Bidens are going to jail for what they were accusing Trump. The entire Trump Russia gate was to divert attention from what Hillary / Biden were doing. Oh a laptop was found with solid evidence showing collusion between the Bidens and various countries. Well naturally the same response is to sensor anyone that wants to talk about it and to impeach Trump. https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/03/mainstream-media-outlets-ignore-new-details-in-hunter-biden-scandals/ https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/03/mainstream-media-outle...
- encryptluks2 5y ago
  Oh please, no one is going to jail. This idea that someone is going to jail is just a boogeyman to create votes come election time.
DiabloD3 5y ago
> You shouldn’t let your personal animosity towards Trump lead to believing misinformation. I don't have to. I witnessed several Republican congressmembers go out of their way to announce that no matter what evidence presented is, they had already decided to ignore it and vote against the removal of Trump from office. Now, I can't tell you why they decided to announce their criminal enterprise shortly before enacting it, but a quick Google tells me their names are Cindy Hyde-Smith, Roger Wicker, Thom Tillis, Rob Portman, James Inhofe, Mike Rounds, and Jerry Moran. > Mueller finds no collusion with Russia, leaves obstruction question open https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report is a well cited article. "On March 27, 2019, Mueller reportedly wrote to Barr in a letter, as stated in the New York Times "expressing his and his team's concerns that the attorney general had inadequately portrayed their conclusions".[226] This was first reported on April 30, 2019. Mueller thought that the Barr letter "did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance" of the findings of the special counsel investigation that he led.[227] "There is now public confusion about critical aspects of the results of our investigation". Mueller also requested Barr release the Mueller report's introductions and executive summaries.[228][229]" What you linked to covers Barr's misleading summary of the Muller report. > The Washington Post corrects, removes parts of two stories regarding the Steele dossier Again, Wikipedia has a well cited article on the subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_dossier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_dossier
Forgeties79 5y ago
It is well-known that nowhere in the mueller report does he exonerate the president. He leaves it to Congress to determine how to move forward. He explicitly wrote that his investigation did not find him innocent.

encryptluks2 5y ago

I'd encourage you to consider that Democrats and Republicans work in parallel as much as they'd like you to think otherwise to coerce Americans into subscribing to a two-party system. It will continue as long as people believe that if they don't subscribe to it that Democracy will fail and the only thing preventing it from happening is to vote for one of the two-party candidates that fits their propaganda news network approved message. Also, it is funny how when it comes to politics Republicans have moved so far right that now center-right is considered the left party.

AnimalMuppet 5y ago
You say "Democrats and Republicans work in parallel". And then you say "Republicans have moved so far right". Which is it? Also, some Republicans have moved far right. Some Democrats have moved pretty far left, too. I will admit that more Republicans moved than Democrats. But both parties have sections near the center, and both have extreme parts. And both are having trouble maintaining unity in the face of that tension.
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- Forgeties79 5y ago
  The GOP has been sidelining or primarying out the few they still have near the center tbh.
DiabloD3 5y ago
Don't get me wrong, I agree with this. Many Democrats also decided to join the Putin-backed coup attempt, and also voted to not impeach during one or both trials. Many Democrats also tried to claim Hunter Biden, while working for a natural gas company in Ukraine, somehow was up to something and using his dad's appointment as VP for something. Funny how Biden became President, and now Russia is invading Ukraine to maintain their stranglehold on Europe's energy supply, and all the pro-Russian bot accounts on Twitter and Facebook that were repeating the "Hunter's Laptop" and "But Her Emails" stories to divide and conquer, suddenly vanished. I am a socialist, and what both parties do is disgusting, and, honestly, anti-American. Our government has been rapidly degrading my entire lifetime, and the only reasonable action is to ring the alarm bell and hope other people wake up and start fighting the fascism that is threatening to destroy our nation.

pstuart 5y ago

I see your downvotes brother, and feel your pain. The tribalism of politics is fierce, and even a forum with as much collective intelligence as HN is not immune from that force. We should be able to discuss policy and actions on their own merits without it being taken as a personal affront. I wish I could find the magical incantation that would allow that dialog to manifest.

merely-unlikely 5y ago

Total US death count from Covid is up to 975k according to the CDC[1]. [1] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home