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We'll get our own flavor of gulags. The USA already has a pretty nasty and oppressive prison system. We have pro-authoritarian politicians in office, in the p

We'll get our own flavor of gulags. The USA already has a pretty nasty and oppressive prison system. We have pro-authoritarian politicians in office, in the police forces, and now throughout the court system. So it doesn't seem alarmist to me. I'm pretty sure the police could get away with murdering political rivals right now. But a few key court decisions are all we need to formalize that capability for the next 100 or so years.

consumer451 5y ago
> "I wanted to tell everyone that there is a cancer within the government and when I tried to weed it out, I got fired," Gilmore wrote. "It was just easier for government management to get rid of me rather than to deal with the underlying issue." https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/03/13/classified-us-intelligence-chat-rooms-dumpster-fire-of-hate-speech-says-ex-nsa-contractor.html https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/03/13/classified-us...
frankfrankfrank 5y ago
Yet again I find myself in between rather detached perspectives. I agree with you regarding the trajectory because it is clear as day by all objective measures where this is all heading, yet I am left befuddled by your parroting of tropes about the “pretty nasty and oppressive prison system” that the very people are pushing who are leading us to the state where an equivalent of gulags will be created. The American prisons are not full of thought criminals just because you are being denied all the footage and proof of the violent crimes the people in US prisons commit, constantly. I realize that most people live in a negative bubble, where they have no idea what is happening because the truth has been withheld from them, but that does not change the reality most people are at least unwittingly ignorant of. But yes, the gulag system actually already exists in America, and the political prisoners in the USA right now already know that. Assange is also in that gulag system and can probably be considered the first, Prisoner #1 of the American Empire’s Gulag Equivalent System, even though it is on foreign soil.
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treeman79 5y ago
There are tons of reports of officers being disciplined punished or jailed for using a gun when the other person was violently resisting arrest. Police across the country are letting criminals run rampant due to fear of prosecution for doing their job.
- Forgeties79 5y ago
  >Police across the country are letting criminals run rampant due to fear of prosecution for doing their job. Police are "letting criminals run rampant" because they throw tantrums the moment money or accountability is discussed. Just watch how they behave the moment a city even whispers "pension" despite the fact that police pensions are crushing city budgets across the nation. https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/pension-costs-burn-through-city-budgets https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/pension-costs-b... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-pensions-policeandfire/u-s-loves-cops-and-firefighters-but-not-their-pensions-idUSBRE86S02120120729 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-pensions-policeandfir... https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-pension-squeeze/ https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-pension-squeeze/
  - Zpalmtree 5y ago
    > Police are "letting criminals run rampant" because they throw tantrums the moment money or accountability is discussed. Just watch how they behave the moment a city even whispers "pension" despite the fact that police pensions are crushing city budgets across the nation. What? I see no-one throwing 'tantrums' in the articles you linked. I see some people trying to keep the pensions they have earned. Do you expect ordinary Americans to jump to take a pension cut after working all their lives? And this in the hope that magically that money will go to the right places and reduce crime?
    - Forgeties79 5y ago
      Where that money goes is not what’s up for debate. We have conservatives non-stop calling for “reduced spending” and “tightening the belt” who are all too happy to cut everything they feel “their people” don’t need, but the big ticket items - military, pensions, etc. - are arbitrarily sacrosanct. Well, it’s not actually arbitrary. It’s because they want to hurt “the right people.” Reduced spending will never be fair to the people on the receiving end.

consumer451 5y ago

> "I wanted to tell everyone that there is a cancer within the government and when I tried to weed it out, I got fired," Gilmore wrote. "It was just easier for government management to get rid of me rather than to deal with the underlying issue." https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/03/13/classified-us-intelligence-chat-rooms-dumpster-fire-of-hate-speech-says-ex-nsa-contractor.html https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/03/13/classified-us...

frankfrankfrank 5y ago

Yet again I find myself in between rather detached perspectives. I agree with you regarding the trajectory because it is clear as day by all objective measures where this is all heading, yet I am left befuddled by your parroting of tropes about the “pretty nasty and oppressive prison system” that the very people are pushing who are leading us to the state where an equivalent of gulags will be created. The American prisons are not full of thought criminals just because you are being denied all the footage and proof of the violent crimes the people in US prisons commit, constantly. I realize that most people live in a negative bubble, where they have no idea what is happening because the truth has been withheld from them, but that does not change the reality most people are at least unwittingly ignorant of. But yes, the gulag system actually already exists in America, and the political prisoners in the USA right now already know that. Assange is also in that gulag system and can probably be considered the first, Prisoner #1 of the American Empire’s Gulag Equivalent System, even though it is on foreign soil.

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treeman79 5y ago

There are tons of reports of officers being disciplined punished or jailed for using a gun when the other person was violently resisting arrest. Police across the country are letting criminals run rampant due to fear of prosecution for doing their job.

Forgeties79 5y ago
>Police across the country are letting criminals run rampant due to fear of prosecution for doing their job. Police are "letting criminals run rampant" because they throw tantrums the moment money or accountability is discussed. Just watch how they behave the moment a city even whispers "pension" despite the fact that police pensions are crushing city budgets across the nation. https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/pension-costs-burn-through-city-budgets https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/pension-costs-b... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-pensions-policeandfire/u-s-loves-cops-and-firefighters-but-not-their-pensions-idUSBRE86S02120120729 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-pensions-policeandfir... https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-pension-squeeze/ https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-pension-squeeze/
- Zpalmtree 5y ago
  > Police are "letting criminals run rampant" because they throw tantrums the moment money or accountability is discussed. Just watch how they behave the moment a city even whispers "pension" despite the fact that police pensions are crushing city budgets across the nation. What? I see no-one throwing 'tantrums' in the articles you linked. I see some people trying to keep the pensions they have earned. Do you expect ordinary Americans to jump to take a pension cut after working all their lives? And this in the hope that magically that money will go to the right places and reduce crime?
  - Forgeties79 5y ago
    Where that money goes is not what’s up for debate. We have conservatives non-stop calling for “reduced spending” and “tightening the belt” who are all too happy to cut everything they feel “their people” don’t need, but the big ticket items - military, pensions, etc. - are arbitrarily sacrosanct. Well, it’s not actually arbitrary. It’s because they want to hurt “the right people.” Reduced spending will never be fair to the people on the receiving end.