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that's the difference between countries where workers are protected and where they are not. You can't fire someone just because they posted pictures online onl

that's the difference between countries where workers are protected and where they are not. You can't fire someone just because they posted pictures online only because you don't like them, where I live. Because your employer have no saying in what you do in your private life. The most probable outcome if the picture were removed was being fired from Zoom after removing the pictures. At least now we know about them.

akerl_ 5y ago
These weren’t pictures of him wearing a racy outfit on a vacation. He works in the tech industry, and he posted leaked documents from a tech company. His employer can pretty sanely draw the parallel and say “we don’t want to employ someone who is OK with broadcasting leaked documents from companies like ours”. Even in countries with different levels of worker protections, that’s a pretty clear cause for termination.
- peoplefromibiza 5y ago
  > He works in the tech industry, and he posted leaked documents from a tech company You can't be fired for that. It's against the law. The leaker is responsible, not the employer posting them. As it should be in a decent country with decent laws in the west. We don't live in Vladimir Putin's Russia, do we? > Even in countries with different levels of worker protections, that’s a pretty clear cause for termination. actually, it is not. And if you really wanna try that, you can't do it without a judge saying you could do it. And if the employer is right, you have to give them the job back and pay all the legal fees.
  - vageli 5y ago
    > > He works in the tech industry, and he posted leaked documents from a tech company > You can't be fired for that. > It's against the law. Citation needed. In most US states you can be fired for no reason at all.
    - peoplefromibiza 5y ago
      > Citation needed. In most US states you can be fired for no reason at all. Here's the quote you're looking for > that's the difference between countries where workers are protected and where they are not. > You can't fire someone just because they posted pictures online only because you don't like them, *where I live.* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30843101 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30843101 USA is specifically *not* one of those countries.
      - refurb 5y ago
        I’d love to know which country protects disclosing confidential data explicitly forbidden in your work contract because it’s on “personal time”.
        detaro 5y ago
        Your work contract explicitly says "you can't disclose confidential data that's not related to your employment"? Fairly sure mine only talks about data related to my employment (i.e. company data, customer data, ... - anything I got access to through work).
        refurb 5y ago
        So if some outsider leaked a confidential document from your employer and you posted it on Twitter you'd be fine because "it's not related to your work"? I somehow doubt it.
  - nemothekid 5y ago
    >It's against the law. I am pretty sure you are mistaken here; there is no law that protects him in this case. The whistleblower protection act only protects federal workers. Other than that California is an at-will state and leaking private information is not a protected class
    - peoplefromibiza 5y ago
      > The whistleblower protection act only protects federal workers Not talking about the US here, but, as I've said "countries where workers are protected by the law"
ajross 5y ago
> You can't fire someone just because they posted pictures online only because you don't like them, where I live. I think you may be confusing authorities here? You can't be prosecuted for merely disseminating trade secrets. It's not illegal. But your employer can fire you for it. They can fire you for almost any reason they want (exceptions, e.g. for reasons of ethnicity or some other protected class, tend to be spelled out explicitly in legislation). Freedom of association goes both ways. Zoom is under no obligation to continue to pay someone that is hurting the company.
- unfocussed_mike 5y ago
  Parent does say "where I live". (which I am guessing is Europe and probably Spain, though as the username reads "People from Ibiza" it could be a German or a Brit ;-)
  - peoplefromibiza 5y ago
    Close, but wrong. Italy. Same goes in France, Spain, Germany, Portugal etc etc
stjohnswarts 5y ago
So your country doesn't have NDAs with corporations? Good luck attracting companies there. Also this isn't really against the law, it's against an agreement with his company where he signed up for things like being fired or potentially even sued. It's not like anyone is going to toss him in jail.

akerl_ 5y ago

These weren’t pictures of him wearing a racy outfit on a vacation. He works in the tech industry, and he posted leaked documents from a tech company. His employer can pretty sanely draw the parallel and say “we don’t want to employ someone who is OK with broadcasting leaked documents from companies like ours”. Even in countries with different levels of worker protections, that’s a pretty clear cause for termination.

peoplefromibiza 5y ago
> He works in the tech industry, and he posted leaked documents from a tech company You can't be fired for that. It's against the law. The leaker is responsible, not the employer posting them. As it should be in a decent country with decent laws in the west. We don't live in Vladimir Putin's Russia, do we? > Even in countries with different levels of worker protections, that’s a pretty clear cause for termination. actually, it is not. And if you really wanna try that, you can't do it without a judge saying you could do it. And if the employer is right, you have to give them the job back and pay all the legal fees.
- vageli 5y ago
  > > He works in the tech industry, and he posted leaked documents from a tech company > You can't be fired for that. > It's against the law. Citation needed. In most US states you can be fired for no reason at all.
  - peoplefromibiza 5y ago
    > Citation needed. In most US states you can be fired for no reason at all. Here's the quote you're looking for > that's the difference between countries where workers are protected and where they are not. > You can't fire someone just because they posted pictures online only because you don't like them, *where I live.* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30843101 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30843101 USA is specifically *not* one of those countries.
    - refurb 5y ago
      I’d love to know which country protects disclosing confidential data explicitly forbidden in your work contract because it’s on “personal time”.
      - detaro 5y ago
        Your work contract explicitly says "you can't disclose confidential data that's not related to your employment"? Fairly sure mine only talks about data related to my employment (i.e. company data, customer data, ... - anything I got access to through work).
        refurb 5y ago
        So if some outsider leaked a confidential document from your employer and you posted it on Twitter you'd be fine because "it's not related to your work"? I somehow doubt it.
- nemothekid 5y ago
  >It's against the law. I am pretty sure you are mistaken here; there is no law that protects him in this case. The whistleblower protection act only protects federal workers. Other than that California is an at-will state and leaking private information is not a protected class
  - peoplefromibiza 5y ago
    > The whistleblower protection act only protects federal workers Not talking about the US here, but, as I've said "countries where workers are protected by the law"

ajross 5y ago

> You can't fire someone just because they posted pictures online only because you don't like them, where I live. I think you may be confusing authorities here? You can't be prosecuted for merely disseminating trade secrets. It's not illegal. But your employer can fire you for it. They can fire you for almost any reason they want (exceptions, e.g. for reasons of ethnicity or some other protected class, tend to be spelled out explicitly in legislation). Freedom of association goes both ways. Zoom is under no obligation to continue to pay someone that is hurting the company.

unfocussed_mike 5y ago
Parent does say "where I live". (which I am guessing is Europe and probably Spain, though as the username reads "People from Ibiza" it could be a German or a Brit ;-)
- peoplefromibiza 5y ago
  Close, but wrong. Italy. Same goes in France, Spain, Germany, Portugal etc etc

stjohnswarts 5y ago

So your country doesn't have NDAs with corporations? Good luck attracting companies there. Also this isn't really against the law, it's against an agreement with his company where he signed up for things like being fired or potentially even sued. It's not like anyone is going to toss him in jail.