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Probably fine in something like english but maybe not circuit design.

by ryan93 5y ago

cinntaile 5y ago
You can point out something is wrong without grading it, so why do you think it wouldn't work?
- User23 5y ago
  You always have to grade students if you want to put them in classes where they are prepared to handle the material. Whether you call it grading, ungrading, or anything else some form of assortment relative to the class is necessary if you want every student to study material that is challenging for them. From this it follows that the scenario where truly not grading is feasible is the one where the class has no required preparation that isn’t met by the least capable student in the cohort. Incidentally that was what I observed in general population US public secondary schools. There was no homework. In fact, there weren’t even textbooks.
  - cinntaile 5y ago
    Lets say someone designs a circuit. Shows it to the teacher and the teacher points out the flaws. The student puts in some more work and comes up with a better design that took care of the flaws. Now the teacher gives the student a more challenging assignment. Do you consider that grading?
    - bonoboTP 5y ago
      Some kids derive motivation from being better than that other kid. In other words, competitiveness. Except modern education considers competitiveness toxic and is determined to stamp it out.
    - ryan93 5y ago
      Let's consider a kid who half asses it knowing he can use the teachers notes to fix it. lots of people want admission to med school or an engineering job. its incredibly fair to test and evaluate those kids on their own work product.
      - cinntaile 5y ago
        You didn't answer the question and in your example you assume there is enough information in the teacher's comments to fix the design, this was not stated in my example. The discussion wasn't about fairness either.
        ryan93 5y ago
        So the professor just tells you you got it wrong? That’s what grades are. To solve the problem of bad initial performance being low many classes weight mid semester and final exams highly so you have plenty of time to learn

Probably fine in something like english but maybe not circuit design.

by ryan93 5y ago

Probably fine in something like english but maybe not circuit design.

cinntaile 5y ago

You can point out something is wrong without grading it, so why do you think it wouldn't work?

User23 5y ago
You always have to grade students if you want to put them in classes where they are prepared to handle the material. Whether you call it grading, ungrading, or anything else some form of assortment relative to the class is necessary if you want every student to study material that is challenging for them. From this it follows that the scenario where truly not grading is feasible is the one where the class has no required preparation that isn’t met by the least capable student in the cohort. Incidentally that was what I observed in general population US public secondary schools. There was no homework. In fact, there weren’t even textbooks.
- cinntaile 5y ago
  Lets say someone designs a circuit. Shows it to the teacher and the teacher points out the flaws. The student puts in some more work and comes up with a better design that took care of the flaws. Now the teacher gives the student a more challenging assignment. Do you consider that grading?
  - bonoboTP 5y ago
    Some kids derive motivation from being better than that other kid. In other words, competitiveness. Except modern education considers competitiveness toxic and is determined to stamp it out.
  - ryan93 5y ago
    Let's consider a kid who half asses it knowing he can use the teachers notes to fix it. lots of people want admission to med school or an engineering job. its incredibly fair to test and evaluate those kids on their own work product.
    - cinntaile 5y ago
      You didn't answer the question and in your example you assume there is enough information in the teacher's comments to fix the design, this was not stated in my example. The discussion wasn't about fairness either.
      - ryan93 5y ago
        So the professor just tells you you got it wrong? That’s what grades are. To solve the problem of bad initial performance being low many classes weight mid semester and final exams highly so you have plenty of time to learn