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Cool, and then let's make it harassment to ignore the instructions in somebodies user manual (not just ignoring their pronoun preference), so everybody has to l

Cool, and then let's make it harassment to ignore the instructions in somebodies user manual (not just ignoring their pronoun preference), so everybody has to learn the user manual of all their colleagues by heart.

spacemanmatt 5y ago
Seems like you were trying to be sarcastic but you did just derive basic respect toward other people.
- kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
  - teg4n_ 5y ago
    - kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
      I feel sorry for you, too. But have fun memorizing those hundreds of instruction manuals.
      - spacemanmatt 5y ago
        Have fun believing that knowing people individually as a burden akin to reading instruction manuals. Why would you choose that?
        kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
        I choose to know some people better than others. Nobody has the right to demand my time and waste it with being forced to "know about" their fake persona they want to present. You are also clearly imagining things, I never said I would be against getting to know people or colleagues. I am against enforced individual rulebooks.
  - Throw6away 5y ago
    Wow, I’m gobsmacked at your example. Are you really arguing that transgender people are somehow abusing and disrespecting others by asking to be acknowledged as they wish to be? Would you be ‘abused’ if I mentioned my same-sex spouse and it violated your assumed reality?
    - kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
      You can ask and it is polite to adhere to the wish, but you can not demand it. Ultimately you have no right to intrude on my brain, sorry. "Would you be ‘abused’ if I mentioned my same-sex spouse and it violated your assumed reality?" Probably not because I could see that your spouse has the same sex as you, so it wouldn't violate my perception? I don't get the point of your example. The point of the "publicly state you believe in something that is obviously not true" is a symbolic subjugation of the person made to do it. It is "swearing in" to the ideology. Like Gallileo announcing publicly that the sun revolves around the earth.
      - spacemanmatt 5y ago
        > it wouldn't violate my perceptions what right do you actually claim to protect your perceptions? lordy, what a mess.
        kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
        Lol wtf - you don't think people have a right to their own thoughts and perceptions? I have no words. A mess indeed - but not on my side. Enjoy your next brainwashing session, as that seems to be your thing.
JabavuAdams 5y ago
I mean, or we could not catastrophize and slippery-slope this. Given the eye-rolls and push-back just on evidence here, I don't think this idea has legs. I wonder how much of this is generational. Like "how freaking entitled are these kids now?" Publishing manuals on how to talk to them. Not saying I fully believe that, but it's the obvious "get off my lawn ya damn kids" reaction.
- kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
  I support people's rights to write user manuals for themselves. The idea is even amusing to some degree. I just don't want to be forced to read them, and especially not be accused of not adhering to the rules in the manual. And yes, I admit the word "snowflakes" popped up in my head.
  - JabavuAdams 5y ago
    Agreed.
spacemanmatt 5y ago
you, sir, are a fire. in dumpster. omg.
- kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
  You are just completely clueless, I don't think you even understand what I am talking about.
  - dang 5y ago
    We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines and ignoring our requests to stop. Please don't create accounts to do that with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 5y ago
  We ban accounts that post like this, regardless of how bad another comment is or you feel it is, so please don't post like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dang 5y ago
Please don't take HN threads into flamewar hell. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: since you have a long history of doing this and are continuing to break the site guidelines, I've banned the account.
- kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
  People attack me, and you ban me. Classy as always. I even took the time to patiently explain what I meant, except for the one guy who was just spouting insults. Even to him I merely explained that he doesn't understand what I meant. How is that "taking threads into flamewar hell"? How many threads did you have to go back in my timeline to make the claim that I "always do that"? I clicked several pages and found nothing, even defending your own Sam Altman from insults in one of them.
  - dang 5y ago
    I banned you for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines and ignoring our requests to stop, in the light of your long history of breaking the site guidelines, ignoring our requests to stop, and getting banned for it. None of that depends on what other people did, though you're certainly right that they shouldn't have attacked you (and we'll ban them, too, if they keep posting like that). If you don't want to be banned, it's not that hard to read the guidelines and follow them. The vast majority of users here manage that just fine. I don't want to get locked into hostility here! It's nothing personal, and if you genuinely want to use HN as intended, there are always ways to correct the situation. We just need reason to believe that you do in fact want to use HN as intended and that the pattern of breaking the guidelines won't keep happening in the future.
    - kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
      I did nothing that is against the guidelines, and you did not repeatedly ask me to stop whatever (I honestly don't even know what you mean). I think you are just projecting something. I did nothing in this thread that is against the guidelines whatsoever. And not in my previous comments, either. The only thing I did I guess is to voice an opinion or inconvenient truth that you personally don't like. I can see no other explanation for it. Perhaps it is the comment on the "personal pronouns", because you belong to the group of people pushing that new ideology. But I did not even say you should not indulge people's request for their pronouns, just that people should not be forced to use them against their own convictions. As I explained, there is a clear analogy to the pronouns issue from the "personal manual", that is why I chose to mention it, because it is a well known issue. Honestly, I just don't know what personal issue you seem to have with me.

spacemanmatt 5y ago

Seems like you were trying to be sarcastic but you did just derive basic respect toward other people.

kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
- teg4n_ 5y ago
  - kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
    I feel sorry for you, too. But have fun memorizing those hundreds of instruction manuals.
    - spacemanmatt 5y ago
      Have fun believing that knowing people individually as a burden akin to reading instruction manuals. Why would you choose that?
      - kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
        I choose to know some people better than others. Nobody has the right to demand my time and waste it with being forced to "know about" their fake persona they want to present. You are also clearly imagining things, I never said I would be against getting to know people or colleagues. I am against enforced individual rulebooks.
- Throw6away 5y ago
  Wow, I’m gobsmacked at your example. Are you really arguing that transgender people are somehow abusing and disrespecting others by asking to be acknowledged as they wish to be? Would you be ‘abused’ if I mentioned my same-sex spouse and it violated your assumed reality?
  - kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
    You can ask and it is polite to adhere to the wish, but you can not demand it. Ultimately you have no right to intrude on my brain, sorry. "Would you be ‘abused’ if I mentioned my same-sex spouse and it violated your assumed reality?" Probably not because I could see that your spouse has the same sex as you, so it wouldn't violate my perception? I don't get the point of your example. The point of the "publicly state you believe in something that is obviously not true" is a symbolic subjugation of the person made to do it. It is "swearing in" to the ideology. Like Gallileo announcing publicly that the sun revolves around the earth.
    - spacemanmatt 5y ago
      > it wouldn't violate my perceptions what right do you actually claim to protect your perceptions? lordy, what a mess.
      - kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
        Lol wtf - you don't think people have a right to their own thoughts and perceptions? I have no words. A mess indeed - but not on my side. Enjoy your next brainwashing session, as that seems to be your thing.

JabavuAdams 5y ago

I mean, or we could not catastrophize and slippery-slope this. Given the eye-rolls and push-back just on evidence here, I don't think this idea has legs. I wonder how much of this is generational. Like "how freaking entitled are these kids now?" Publishing manuals on how to talk to them. Not saying I fully believe that, but it's the obvious "get off my lawn ya damn kids" reaction.

kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
I support people's rights to write user manuals for themselves. The idea is even amusing to some degree. I just don't want to be forced to read them, and especially not be accused of not adhering to the rules in the manual. And yes, I admit the word "snowflakes" popped up in my head.
- JabavuAdams 5y ago
  Agreed.

spacemanmatt 5y ago

you, sir, are a fire. in dumpster. omg.

kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
You are just completely clueless, I don't think you even understand what I am talking about.
- dang 5y ago
  We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines and ignoring our requests to stop. Please don't create accounts to do that with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dang 5y ago
We ban accounts that post like this, regardless of how bad another comment is or you feel it is, so please don't post like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

dang 5y ago

Please don't take HN threads into flamewar hell. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: since you have a long history of doing this and are continuing to break the site guidelines, I've banned the account.

kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
People attack me, and you ban me. Classy as always. I even took the time to patiently explain what I meant, except for the one guy who was just spouting insults. Even to him I merely explained that he doesn't understand what I meant. How is that "taking threads into flamewar hell"? How many threads did you have to go back in my timeline to make the claim that I "always do that"? I clicked several pages and found nothing, even defending your own Sam Altman from insults in one of them.
- dang 5y ago
  I banned you for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines and ignoring our requests to stop, in the light of your long history of breaking the site guidelines, ignoring our requests to stop, and getting banned for it. None of that depends on what other people did, though you're certainly right that they shouldn't have attacked you (and we'll ban them, too, if they keep posting like that). If you don't want to be banned, it's not that hard to read the guidelines and follow them. The vast majority of users here manage that just fine. I don't want to get locked into hostility here! It's nothing personal, and if you genuinely want to use HN as intended, there are always ways to correct the situation. We just need reason to believe that you do in fact want to use HN as intended and that the pattern of breaking the guidelines won't keep happening in the future.
  - kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
    I did nothing that is against the guidelines, and you did not repeatedly ask me to stop whatever (I honestly don't even know what you mean). I think you are just projecting something. I did nothing in this thread that is against the guidelines whatsoever. And not in my previous comments, either. The only thing I did I guess is to voice an opinion or inconvenient truth that you personally don't like. I can see no other explanation for it. Perhaps it is the comment on the "personal pronouns", because you belong to the group of people pushing that new ideology. But I did not even say you should not indulge people's request for their pronouns, just that people should not be forced to use them against their own convictions. As I explained, there is a clear analogy to the pronouns issue from the "personal manual", that is why I chose to mention it, because it is a well known issue. Honestly, I just don't know what personal issue you seem to have with me.