I admire those people too, but they are orthogonal to our discussion. And it's funny you say Alan Kay, because Apple is in many ways an embodiment of his ideas.

I admire those people too, but they are orthogonal to our discussion. And it's funny you say Alan Kay, because Apple is in many ways an embodiment of his ideas. Edit: Actually, I have to remove RMS from my list after reading this - http://stallman.org/archives/2011-jul-oct.html#06_October_2011_%28Steve_Jobs%29 http://stallman.org/archives/2011-jul-oct.html#06_October_20.... Disgusting.