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This is sometimes the case here in Germany, and one reason we do it is because our representatives are explicitly, by the basic law bound only to their own cons

This is sometimes the case here in Germany, and one reason we do it is because our representatives are explicitly, by the basic law bound only to their own conscience. Representatives toeing party lines is seen as an impoverishment to democracy.

pydry 5y ago
Representatives being able to conceal their legislative actions from the constituents that put them there is an impoverishment to democracy.
- Barrin92 5y ago
  Not really unless you think of democracy only as a glorified strawpoll. Inherent in the free mandate that representatives here have is the idea that they can and should exercise their own judgement independently. Sometimes this may even be against their constituents (or anyone else) so a degree of secrecy is important. In legislative in general to make independent decisions. Excess transparency means representatives will pander only for votes/money/attention, it's for example why every televised American congressional session makes you lose braincells. Because they're only talking to the TV, they're not actually deliberating.
  - notreallyserio 5y ago
    > Sometimes this may even be against their constituents (or anyone else) so a degree of secrecy is important. Important to whom, other than themselves in the next election?
  - pydry 5y ago
    >Excess transparency means representatives will pander only for votes That's how democracy works. Pandering for votes and then acting on behalf of your voters interests is kind of the point. Im honestly kind of shocked to be reading this on HN in 2022. This is the kind of thing monarchists said in 1684. >money Legislative secrecy is a great way of letting money corrupt democracy since it eliminates the feedback loop between the legislator acting on behalf of monied interests and being democratically punished for it at the next election.

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This is sometimes the case here in Germany, and one reason we do it is because our representatives are explicitly, by the basic law bound only to their own cons

by Barrin92 5y ago

pydry 5y ago
Representatives being able to conceal their legislative actions from the constituents that put them there is an impoverishment to democracy.
- Barrin92 5y ago
  Not really unless you think of democracy only as a glorified strawpoll. Inherent in the free mandate that representatives here have is the idea that they can and should exercise their own judgement independently. Sometimes this may even be against their constituents (or anyone else) so a degree of secrecy is important. In legislative in general to make independent decisions. Excess transparency means representatives will pander only for votes/money/attention, it's for example why every televised American congressional session makes you lose braincells. Because they're only talking to the TV, they're not actually deliberating.
  - notreallyserio 5y ago
    > Sometimes this may even be against their constituents (or anyone else) so a degree of secrecy is important. Important to whom, other than themselves in the next election?
  - pydry 5y ago
    >Excess transparency means representatives will pander only for votes That's how democracy works. Pandering for votes and then acting on behalf of your voters interests is kind of the point. Im honestly kind of shocked to be reading this on HN in 2022. This is the kind of thing monarchists said in 1684. >money Legislative secrecy is a great way of letting money corrupt democracy since it eliminates the feedback loop between the legislator acting on behalf of monied interests and being democratically punished for it at the next election.