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The car dealerships put these things on cars in the event that you finance through them. They are able to make you pay for the device they use to track down veh

The car dealerships put these things on cars in the event that you finance through them. They are able to make you pay for the device they use to track down vehicles they want to repo. Since they splice into the harness and it takes time to get back in there its actually more problematic to remove than to just leave it. You're paying for it, one way or another.

jmole 5y ago
Not spliced, they used a splitter with an OBD port on either side. I did finance through my own bank though, which might explain the "removal fee".
- Hamuko 5y ago
  If these things connect to the OBD port, aren't they basically trivial to find and uninstall yourself?
  - londons_explore 5y ago
    They're normally wired in somewhere behind the glovebox or steering column, and can be pretty hard to find. I had one on a car I bought, and it kept draining the car battery whenever I left it more than a few days. I wasted many hours buying new batteries, testing alternators, and tracking down leakage currents before finding it consuming nearly a watt continuously.
    - Hamuko 5y ago
      Do they split the OBD signal behind the glovebox or the steering column? If so, then I imagine they're much harder to find. But if they do it on the actual OBD2 port, then I imagine they would be rather easy to spot?
      - mkhpalm 5y ago
        They only need a power source to stay powered to give up their location. Most of them don't splice in nicely using the OBD ports.
    - jhoechtl 5y ago
      Did you mean 1 Watt or actually 1 Amp? 1 Watt would be rather modest and shouldn't drain you battery within a week, 1 Amp certainly is another story.
      - londons_explore 5y ago
        1 watt. So about 0.1 amps. But the car had a 30 amp-hour battery, so after 10 days the battery is fully drained. And lead acid batteries don't like being fully drained more than once or twice, so after a month or two, you have to buy a new battery. And the process repeats... This happens even if you drive the car every day. Since a full charge of a lead acid battery is 12+ hours, if you only drive the car half an hour per day, then each day you are discharging more than you charge.
- mkhpalm 5y ago
  Depends on the place, most that I've ever dealt with were spliced into the harness. You got off lucky if they went the extra mile and used the less intrusive option. Those aren't as common.

jmole 5y ago

Not spliced, they used a splitter with an OBD port on either side. I did finance through my own bank though, which might explain the "removal fee".

Hamuko 5y ago
If these things connect to the OBD port, aren't they basically trivial to find and uninstall yourself?
- londons_explore 5y ago
  They're normally wired in somewhere behind the glovebox or steering column, and can be pretty hard to find. I had one on a car I bought, and it kept draining the car battery whenever I left it more than a few days. I wasted many hours buying new batteries, testing alternators, and tracking down leakage currents before finding it consuming nearly a watt continuously.
  - Hamuko 5y ago
    Do they split the OBD signal behind the glovebox or the steering column? If so, then I imagine they're much harder to find. But if they do it on the actual OBD2 port, then I imagine they would be rather easy to spot?
    - mkhpalm 5y ago
      They only need a power source to stay powered to give up their location. Most of them don't splice in nicely using the OBD ports.
  - jhoechtl 5y ago
    Did you mean 1 Watt or actually 1 Amp? 1 Watt would be rather modest and shouldn't drain you battery within a week, 1 Amp certainly is another story.
    - londons_explore 5y ago
      1 watt. So about 0.1 amps. But the car had a 30 amp-hour battery, so after 10 days the battery is fully drained. And lead acid batteries don't like being fully drained more than once or twice, so after a month or two, you have to buy a new battery. And the process repeats... This happens even if you drive the car every day. Since a full charge of a lead acid battery is 12+ hours, if you only drive the car half an hour per day, then each day you are discharging more than you charge.
mkhpalm 5y ago
Depends on the place, most that I've ever dealt with were spliced into the harness. You got off lucky if they went the extra mile and used the less intrusive option. Those aren't as common.