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If everyone is on UBI, then who is getting the work done? Seems to me there needs to be some more constraints on the idea to be realistic. Maybe Strategic Bas

by gxt 5y ago

If everyone is on UBI, then who is getting the work done? Seems to me there needs to be some more constraints on the idea to be realistic. Maybe Strategic Basic Income? Eg: Executive branch gets coal miners on it for X years to let them retrain to work in another industry? Or Universal Income Grant? Everyone gets X years no questions asked, you choose when to check them out. When you run out, sucks to be you. I'd much rather have that last one as an option than UBI that's not going to motivate me to do anything by removing the natural urgency of scarcity. When everything is abundant and easy, why change?

quickthrower2 5y ago
People who want to earn more than UBI are getting the work done. Also if you believe most work is now bullshit jobs, and a lot of UBI-ers will be say giving their kids, parents, etc. more time and care, then this kind of directs money away from BS towards non-BS. For example BS is another say VP of internet junk food delivery marketing, whose top customer is the VC funneling printed money. Non-BS is someone growing veggies because they have the time, and chatting to the 80 year old next door who loves the company.
- emteycz 5y ago
  So prices of everything will rise and nobody on UBI can afford anything?
  - BizarroLand 5y ago
    I'm of the mindset that if UBI were passed, prices for basic living would stabilize around whatever UBI is set to. If it was $20,000 USD, then a 1 bedroom apartment (theoretically shared between 2 cohabitating people) would run $40,000/12/3 = $1,111/month on average when companies set a requirement of needing 3 times your rent in income. That would leave the layabout small 2 person family about $2,200/month for food, fun and other expenses, and then there would be an incentive for them to have children as each child would add $20,000/yr to their income, allowing giving birth to be an effective means of upward mobility up to a certain point.
    - emteycz 5y ago
      The whole promise of UBI is that only those who like to work would do it, and people wouldn't do menial jobs because they could simply not do them - and thus the price must rise. Then, because the prices have risen, either UBI must be larger or it's no longer working as promised. That causes inflation, and again UBI must be larger.

by gxt 5y ago

quickthrower2 5y ago

People who want to earn more than UBI are getting the work done. Also if you believe most work is now bullshit jobs, and a lot of UBI-ers will be say giving their kids, parents, etc. more time and care, then this kind of directs money away from BS towards non-BS. For example BS is another say VP of internet junk food delivery marketing, whose top customer is the VC funneling printed money. Non-BS is someone growing veggies because they have the time, and chatting to the 80 year old next door who loves the company.

emteycz 5y ago
So prices of everything will rise and nobody on UBI can afford anything?
- BizarroLand 5y ago
  I'm of the mindset that if UBI were passed, prices for basic living would stabilize around whatever UBI is set to. If it was $20,000 USD, then a 1 bedroom apartment (theoretically shared between 2 cohabitating people) would run $40,000/12/3 = $1,111/month on average when companies set a requirement of needing 3 times your rent in income. That would leave the layabout small 2 person family about $2,200/month for food, fun and other expenses, and then there would be an incentive for them to have children as each child would add $20,000/yr to their income, allowing giving birth to be an effective means of upward mobility up to a certain point.
  - emteycz 5y ago
    The whole promise of UBI is that only those who like to work would do it, and people wouldn't do menial jobs because they could simply not do them - and thus the price must rise. Then, because the prices have risen, either UBI must be larger or it's no longer working as promised. That causes inflation, and again UBI must be larger.