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When the effects of actively racist institutions and policies is not even a generation away. I Don't think leveling the field that should be level in the first

When the effects of actively racist institutions and policies is not even a generation away. I Don't think leveling the field that should be level in the first place isn't racism. what is real racism to you honest question.

yucky 5y ago
Are you saying you support racial discrimination?
throwawaylinux 5y ago
I can't really understand what you're saying there. There are actively racist institutions now, their systemic racism is affecting people today, and they are continually pushing for more racism. The racists are becoming more emboldened and blatant -- look at California prop 16, there was a push to explicitly repeal the constitutional prohibition against racial discrimination! And it was only narrowly defeated! Does that not ring any alarm bells with you? I oppose all racism. "Oh but we can just be racist in this case because..." - nope. Doesn't cut it for me. Racism is non-negotiable. Racism can never be a tool for improving anything, because it hurts the individual in in unjust way, that's the problem with it. "It's fine Asians are privileged they can easily get into college" doesn't help the Asian kid from the poor family who came as a refugee, didn't speak English and was picked on at school for not fitting in. I have no problem with institutions giving consideration to people who have experienced certain disadvantage. The income their parents made, for example. And if that consideration turns out to benefit some races more than others that's perfectly fine. "We have too many Asians at our college, increase the cutoff for them" is just disgusting vile discrimination though. I don't care what justifications I hear, what gaslighting, or how much people falsely accuse me of being the racist, I will never accept or agree with that. I know some people think they can use racism "for good" as it were (isn't that always the story?). They need to own it though. Rather than accuse other people of being racist for opposing their racism, if they believe racism is the best tool for the job they should just be honest and admit it.
- DownUnde 5y ago
  - throwawaylinux 5y ago
    - DownUnde 5y ago
      - throwawaylinux 5y ago
        Here's a hint. The real anti-racists are the people who are against actual racism. The people who are instituting racist policies and trying to repeal constitutional prohibitions against racism are not anti-racists. They're the opposite.
        DownUnde 5y ago
        Hint, Thanks to Critical Race theory your children will learn to think about race in a way that has been accepted by academics for a long time and eventually we'll make a lot more progress since we won't waste time with parrots like you. Goodbye.
        dang 5y ago
        We've banned this account for egregiously breaking the site guidelines. You can't do that here, regardless of how right you are or feel you are. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
        throwawaylinux 5y ago
        Bye, get well soon.
tomatowurst 5y ago
I'm trying to understand how Scantron can be racist. It does not know the identity, race, demographic or the economic class of the test taker. It literally just scans the test takers responses and scores it based on a preset solution. You are not given extra time because of your demographic nor are certain demographics punished or given extra points, everybody has access to the same learning resources, and one can take mock exams in preparation based on previous Scantron exams. The test producers do not know the race, demographic of the test taker or think about race when creating exam questions. They write questions to filter out those who demonstrate the best aptitude. Do you feel that this is unfair? What alternative do you forsee that could measure the aptitude of the test takers? Is this attitude limited only to academia or does it apply to professional sports? Do you think knowledge of game theory and physics should be an important part of aptitude tests for atheletes? Should pianists be subject to athletic requirements to measure their aptitude to enter Carnegie Hall?
- crummy 5y ago
  I don't know if this is the case, but presumably the questions themselves could advantage or disadvantage people from a particular background.

yucky 5y ago

Are you saying you support racial discrimination?

throwawaylinux 5y ago

I can't really understand what you're saying there. There are actively racist institutions now, their systemic racism is affecting people today, and they are continually pushing for more racism. The racists are becoming more emboldened and blatant -- look at California prop 16, there was a push to explicitly repeal the constitutional prohibition against racial discrimination! And it was only narrowly defeated! Does that not ring any alarm bells with you? I oppose all racism. "Oh but we can just be racist in this case because..." - nope. Doesn't cut it for me. Racism is non-negotiable. Racism can never be a tool for improving anything, because it hurts the individual in in unjust way, that's the problem with it. "It's fine Asians are privileged they can easily get into college" doesn't help the Asian kid from the poor family who came as a refugee, didn't speak English and was picked on at school for not fitting in. I have no problem with institutions giving consideration to people who have experienced certain disadvantage. The income their parents made, for example. And if that consideration turns out to benefit some races more than others that's perfectly fine. "We have too many Asians at our college, increase the cutoff for them" is just disgusting vile discrimination though. I don't care what justifications I hear, what gaslighting, or how much people falsely accuse me of being the racist, I will never accept or agree with that. I know some people think they can use racism "for good" as it were (isn't that always the story?). They need to own it though. Rather than accuse other people of being racist for opposing their racism, if they believe racism is the best tool for the job they should just be honest and admit it.

DownUnde 5y ago
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
  - DownUnde 5y ago
    - throwawaylinux 5y ago
      Here's a hint. The real anti-racists are the people who are against actual racism. The people who are instituting racist policies and trying to repeal constitutional prohibitions against racism are not anti-racists. They're the opposite.
      - DownUnde 5y ago
        Hint, Thanks to Critical Race theory your children will learn to think about race in a way that has been accepted by academics for a long time and eventually we'll make a lot more progress since we won't waste time with parrots like you. Goodbye.
        dang 5y ago
        We've banned this account for egregiously breaking the site guidelines. You can't do that here, regardless of how right you are or feel you are. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
        throwawaylinux 5y ago
        Bye, get well soon.

tomatowurst 5y ago

I'm trying to understand how Scantron can be racist. It does not know the identity, race, demographic or the economic class of the test taker. It literally just scans the test takers responses and scores it based on a preset solution. You are not given extra time because of your demographic nor are certain demographics punished or given extra points, everybody has access to the same learning resources, and one can take mock exams in preparation based on previous Scantron exams. The test producers do not know the race, demographic of the test taker or think about race when creating exam questions. They write questions to filter out those who demonstrate the best aptitude. Do you feel that this is unfair? What alternative do you forsee that could measure the aptitude of the test takers? Is this attitude limited only to academia or does it apply to professional sports? Do you think knowledge of game theory and physics should be an important part of aptitude tests for atheletes? Should pianists be subject to athletic requirements to measure their aptitude to enter Carnegie Hall?

crummy 5y ago
I don't know if this is the case, but presumably the questions themselves could advantage or disadvantage people from a particular background.