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Russia and Putin should and will die for what's it worth. However my opinion has always been of cowardice: There is nothing more valuable than human life. There

Russia and Putin should and will die for what's it worth. However my opinion has always been of cowardice: There is nothing more valuable than human life. There is no "courage" in fighting an idiotic war especially since all russia wanted was nato out and more especially since ukraine and russia are almost the same people. Holding on to donbas and similar russian territories have absolutely zero value. End the suffering, agree to what Russia wants, get NATO out and end the war. Zelenksy is a master actor and he played the role well. It's time he stopped crying on global platform 24x7 and drag the rest of the world into his war.

AnimalMuppet 5y ago
Look, if Ukraine decides to end the war (on whatever terms), that's their choice to make. It's sure not our place to tell them that they ought to surrender, though. If they decide that being under Russia is worse than all the suffering, that's their choice. (And they may have more data than you and I do...) There's a line from the Bible: "those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives". This isn't exactly the way the Bible meant that phrase, but... If your position is that preserving life is the most important thing, and I can credibly threaten to kill you, then you become my slave. You'll do whatever I tell you, to try to save your life. That's a horrible way to live. It's even more horrible when the one doing the threatening is a sociopath. I think some things are worse than death. "Live free or die" isn't just a propaganda slogan. A free life is far better than a life as someone's slave.
moistly 5y ago
The big difference between Ukrainians and Russians is that the former live in an internationally recognized democracy that has been improving its government and the rule of law, and the latter is a thoroughly corrupt mafia state. Kowtowing to the corrupt state is to condemn one’s children and grandchildren to suffer through insecurity, cruelty, retribution, and poverty. The action you promote might reduce your own risk of personal injury, but only by transferring it to future generations. It is selfish, short-sighted, and destructive to progress. But at least you admit cowardice drives your decision-making. It is not, by the way, something you should claim with pride.
- ShivShankaran 5y ago
  >The big difference between Ukrainians and Russians is that the former live in an internationally recognized democracy that has been improving its government and the rule of law, and the latter is a thoroughly corrupt mafia state. You are thoroughly mistaken if you think Ukraine is any better than Russia. In the Panama papers, Ukraine exceeds Russia and in terms of far right wing violence Ukraine far exceeds Russia. Source: https://www.statista.com/chart/25906/politicians-pandora-papers/ https://www.statista.com/chart/25906/politicians-pandora-pap... Ukraine has twice as many politicians in panama papers as Russia. This war is not black and white. There are millions of shades of gray in between regardless of the constant nauseating fellatio of everything Ukrainian by the western media.
  - moistly 5y ago
    > You are thoroughly mistaken if you think Ukraine is any better than Russia One is a democracy improving itself, the other is a goddamn dictatorship. Don’t be stupid.
    - ShivShankaran 5y ago
      I am not sure which one is which. Both are cut from the same cloth.
      - moistly 5y ago
        Vomit.
      - deleted 5y ago
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      - sysmet 5y ago
        Wanted to explain you how wrong you are, but read your other comments and realized that it's a waste of time. The disgusting words you are writing is not an opinion, it's a standard well-packaged russian narrative for western world. The same you can see on RT, Sputnik and other russian propagandist channels. I just hope that people understands how many of this kind of infected retranslators over there.

AnimalMuppet 5y ago

Look, if Ukraine decides to end the war (on whatever terms), that's their choice to make. It's sure not our place to tell them that they ought to surrender, though. If they decide that being under Russia is worse than all the suffering, that's their choice. (And they may have more data than you and I do...) There's a line from the Bible: "those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives". This isn't exactly the way the Bible meant that phrase, but... If your position is that preserving life is the most important thing, and I can credibly threaten to kill you, then you become my slave. You'll do whatever I tell you, to try to save your life. That's a horrible way to live. It's even more horrible when the one doing the threatening is a sociopath. I think some things are worse than death. "Live free or die" isn't just a propaganda slogan. A free life is far better than a life as someone's slave.

moistly 5y ago

The big difference between Ukrainians and Russians is that the former live in an internationally recognized democracy that has been improving its government and the rule of law, and the latter is a thoroughly corrupt mafia state. Kowtowing to the corrupt state is to condemn one’s children and grandchildren to suffer through insecurity, cruelty, retribution, and poverty. The action you promote might reduce your own risk of personal injury, but only by transferring it to future generations. It is selfish, short-sighted, and destructive to progress. But at least you admit cowardice drives your decision-making. It is not, by the way, something you should claim with pride.

ShivShankaran 5y ago
>The big difference between Ukrainians and Russians is that the former live in an internationally recognized democracy that has been improving its government and the rule of law, and the latter is a thoroughly corrupt mafia state. You are thoroughly mistaken if you think Ukraine is any better than Russia. In the Panama papers, Ukraine exceeds Russia and in terms of far right wing violence Ukraine far exceeds Russia. Source: https://www.statista.com/chart/25906/politicians-pandora-papers/ https://www.statista.com/chart/25906/politicians-pandora-pap... Ukraine has twice as many politicians in panama papers as Russia. This war is not black and white. There are millions of shades of gray in between regardless of the constant nauseating fellatio of everything Ukrainian by the western media.
- moistly 5y ago
  > You are thoroughly mistaken if you think Ukraine is any better than Russia One is a democracy improving itself, the other is a goddamn dictatorship. Don’t be stupid.
  - ShivShankaran 5y ago
    I am not sure which one is which. Both are cut from the same cloth.
    - moistly 5y ago
      Vomit.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
    - sysmet 5y ago
      Wanted to explain you how wrong you are, but read your other comments and realized that it's a waste of time. The disgusting words you are writing is not an opinion, it's a standard well-packaged russian narrative for western world. The same you can see on RT, Sputnik and other russian propagandist channels. I just hope that people understands how many of this kind of infected retranslators over there.