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That's really harsh and will prevent anyone from ever committing to what they're doing. There's loads of independent creators who are doing sincere, authentic w

by tootie 5y ago

That's really harsh and will prevent anyone from ever committing to what they're doing. There's loads of independent creators who are doing sincere, authentic work but they can't do it for free. And if you're consuming creator content on a platform like YouTube, they're getting ad dollars just by dint of being on the platform without saying a word. I don't think there's anything wrong with asking for support to do something that others are deriving value from. It's like people will gladly pay $15/mo for Netflix with the expectation that it's commercial content, but get mad when someone who makes great content with no upfront price suggests their work is worth something.

s1artibartfast 5y ago
I agree, the "problem" is on the consumption side not the production side. I don't expect my bricklayer or cabinet maker for coder to enjoy their job. I buy what they are making. The fact is that there is and always will be a market for consumerization Hobbies. People who would rather watch someone play a game then play a game, watch a band than play in one. Yes, more people try to be creators than will be successful at it. So what? Unless they try to socialize the costs of their experiment, good for them. Life is an adventure and you are free to make mistakes.
PeterisP 5y ago
But that's kind of the whole point - just as the parent poster implies, I very much like content from people who are not "creators", for whom that project is a side hobby and their primary identity is not as the creator of these things, where they're doing it for themselves and not for an audience or me. If some or most of them can't commit to that as a profession, that's fine, there's far too much content anyway, and if most of the content-makers quit and only the "hardcore hobbyists" remain, those who would do that even if they had to pay for it, that's an okay outcome which still leaves more than enough content, and the good stuff does not get drowned out by fake garbage manufactured by those who want "random content creation" to be a profession. We have far too many independent creators who are motivated by money as that money pushes the "market" towards bullshit, so we need fewer of them and need to push some of them out. Less money flowing for views of that content is a way to achieve that.

by tootie 5y ago

s1artibartfast 5y ago

I agree, the "problem" is on the consumption side not the production side. I don't expect my bricklayer or cabinet maker for coder to enjoy their job. I buy what they are making. The fact is that there is and always will be a market for consumerization Hobbies. People who would rather watch someone play a game then play a game, watch a band than play in one. Yes, more people try to be creators than will be successful at it. So what? Unless they try to socialize the costs of their experiment, good for them. Life is an adventure and you are free to make mistakes.

PeterisP 5y ago

But that's kind of the whole point - just as the parent poster implies, I very much like content from people who are not "creators", for whom that project is a side hobby and their primary identity is not as the creator of these things, where they're doing it for themselves and not for an audience or me. If some or most of them can't commit to that as a profession, that's fine, there's far too much content anyway, and if most of the content-makers quit and only the "hardcore hobbyists" remain, those who would do that even if they had to pay for it, that's an okay outcome which still leaves more than enough content, and the good stuff does not get drowned out by fake garbage manufactured by those who want "random content creation" to be a profession. We have far too many independent creators who are motivated by money as that money pushes the "market" towards bullshit, so we need fewer of them and need to push some of them out. Less money flowing for views of that content is a way to achieve that.