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As a network engineer who’s worked on Cisco, Juniper, Foundry, Brocade, Extreme, HP, Dell, and even Netgear, let me assure you that while the urban legend is th
by oarsinsync 5y ago
As a network engineer who’s worked on Cisco, Juniper, Foundry, Brocade, Extreme, HP, Dell, and even Netgear, let me assure you that while the urban legend is that “JunOS is IOS done right”, the reality is that they’re all terrible in their own ways.
JunOS is generally better than IOS(-XR), but it’s still got its sharp edges. VyOS / Vyatta are poor enough clones that they will bite and seriously suck to anyone who’s actually got real JunOS experience.
Let’s be real. The goal in improving network configuration standards is to suck less. That’s it. Everything in networks sucks. Anyone who tells you otherwise either lacks experience in general, lacks experience suffering at the bleeding edge, or lacks my cynicism and genuinely sees the world as a better place than I do (I envy them for any of the above)
- walrus01 5y agoI don't disagree with any of this - have been using JunOS since the M40 was the absolute apex of service provider core router technology. Lots and lots of weird bugs in various versions of IOS and JunOS on all their platorms. Big difference between what you might get spending $15,000 for a Juniper MX204 running JunOS and a Mikrotik $800 router. I mentally categorize Mikrotik RouterOS and similar ultra low cost things in the same tier as VyOS. It's cheap but there are tradeoffs to going cheap. One has to understand the risks and tradeoffs of running a lot of your traffic or important things through cheap routers. Sometimes it's a risk worth taking. Foundry, as we've seen, was a straight knockoff of the IOS 12.2/12.4 CLI and interface. Used plenty of Foundry switches in a previous role. Everything does suck. Some things suck less. Sometimes you can pay money to get things that suck less.
- oarsinsync 5y ago> Everything does suck. Some things suck less. Sometimes you can pay money to get things that suck less. And sometimes you pay more money and you're the one being made to do the sucking :-\
- elzbardico 5y agoOh, hello and welcome to Oracle Clients Anonymous.
- lormayna 5y agoI have worked for a medium size ISP and we had Juniper, Cisco and lot of Mikrotiks. For me the big lack in Mikrotik, compared to the bigger vendor, is the lack of real support. No TAC services, no SLA, etc. The only way to get support is via email, but you have to wait days for a response. And also the system is not stable like the one from big vendors. Anyway, the performances of Mikrotik are impressive for the cost.
- kazen44 5y agoand TAC/support is half the reason you buy from the known vendors in the first place. (the other being well rounded and actual trustworthy performance numbers when using more niche network technologies, especially in regards to encapsulation). for a comparison, I once had an issue where both routers in a redundant setup failed within half an hour of each other. (was a pure coincidence, the setup was redundant). then, the sparefallback unit would not boot, and jtac send us a replacement within 3 HOURS...
- lormayna 5y ago100% agree. At a moment we decided to buy 6/8 CCR instead to buy a couple of Juniper and keep the unused one as passive hot spare, just because it was cheap and sometimes the CCR failed. Another point is the feature development: BGP implementation, in Mikrotik was single core only and this was a bottleneck especially when you want to calculate the full routing table. Everyone in the forum asked for this new feature, but Mikrotik always refuse to work on that.
- iso1210 5y ago> Everything does suck. Some things suck less. Sometimes you can pay money to get things that suck less. And then there's Cisco