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I can't wait to be able to buy stuff like this or "cow-free milk" in the supermarket, but it'll be a long long time due to the irrational European fear of GMOs

I can't wait to be able to buy stuff like this or "cow-free milk" in the supermarket, but it'll be a long long time due to the irrational European fear of GMOs which is a basic tool for most cases of bio-engineered yeasts.

saiya-jin 5y ago
We in Europe have good reasons, in fact very good reasons to reject GMOs. Its a very powerful tool, very poorly tested, side effects on whole ecosystem not tested at all (aka if you don't brag about safety in ads, it means there is nothing to brag about). They often come from most amoral companies in the world, ie Monsanto which clearly don't care about human health and life, only profits at all costs. They are often pushed by political means (ie US business folks coming ie to UK to lobby for lowering food safety standards compared to those from EU right after it was clear Brexit is happening). You want to solve world hunger and feed those poorest and most unfortunate that would otherwise die? Sure go ahead, but at least attempt to be moral and show some serious research into collateral damage. You try to push that cheap untested crap on one of the world's most rich and free regions? Well clearly your chops are not good enough right now.
- fsflover 5y ago
  Another FUD afer the nuclear. There is no evidence that GMO is dangerous at all: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food#Health_and_safety https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food#Heal....
pmoriarty 5y ago
"I can't wait to be able to buy stuff like this or "cow-free milk" in the supermarket..." There's plenty of cow-free milks in the supermarket already: they're called nutmilks (ex: soy milk, almond milk, oat milk, etc). They've been around for decades. The main thing I'm waiting for are good vegan versions of sharp cheeses like sharp cheddar and blue cheese. A good vegan smoked gouda would be nice too. I've yet to taste creamy vegan ice cream that's on par with the best milk-based ice cream, but at least vegan ice creams can be pretty good and getting better.
- eliaspro 5y ago
  Same for me! I already use a lot of plant-based substitutes and the fact that I'm lactose intolerant makes this even easier for me, but as you already outlined - there are a few remaining niches which can't be filled adequately by alternatives yet.

saiya-jin 5y ago

We in Europe have good reasons, in fact very good reasons to reject GMOs. Its a very powerful tool, very poorly tested, side effects on whole ecosystem not tested at all (aka if you don't brag about safety in ads, it means there is nothing to brag about). They often come from most amoral companies in the world, ie Monsanto which clearly don't care about human health and life, only profits at all costs. They are often pushed by political means (ie US business folks coming ie to UK to lobby for lowering food safety standards compared to those from EU right after it was clear Brexit is happening). You want to solve world hunger and feed those poorest and most unfortunate that would otherwise die? Sure go ahead, but at least attempt to be moral and show some serious research into collateral damage. You try to push that cheap untested crap on one of the world's most rich and free regions? Well clearly your chops are not good enough right now.

fsflover 5y ago
Another FUD afer the nuclear. There is no evidence that GMO is dangerous at all: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food#Health_and_safety https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food#Heal....

pmoriarty 5y ago

"I can't wait to be able to buy stuff like this or "cow-free milk" in the supermarket..." There's plenty of cow-free milks in the supermarket already: they're called nutmilks (ex: soy milk, almond milk, oat milk, etc). They've been around for decades. The main thing I'm waiting for are good vegan versions of sharp cheeses like sharp cheddar and blue cheese. A good vegan smoked gouda would be nice too. I've yet to taste creamy vegan ice cream that's on par with the best milk-based ice cream, but at least vegan ice creams can be pretty good and getting better.

eliaspro 5y ago
Same for me! I already use a lot of plant-based substitutes and the fact that I'm lactose intolerant makes this even easier for me, but as you already outlined - there are a few remaining niches which can't be filled adequately by alternatives yet.