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How common is this? I would guess not very. Either way, if you cheated your way into MIT, expect to fail out. The hand holding stops there.

spywaregorilla 5y ago
MIT is one of the more rigorous schools but I expect its still pretty easy to avoid failing out.
- azinman2 5y ago
  Do you speak from experience? I attended it for grad school and not undergrad, but there was the expectation that you stand on your own. I was in one of the rare programs that was a terminal masters and you had to reapply for the PhD, and only 50% were accepted to the PhD. I think there probably aren't too many failing out of undergrad simply because they do a great job of filtering in the first place. But I know people who attended that certainly struggled... one who came a C student and still want on to a great medical school and a successful career. There isn't grade inflation.
  - spywaregorilla 5y ago
    I also attended it for grad school only. Nobody was even close to failing out. I don't think MIT did a lot of grade inflation and generally regard it as a very strong academic institution. That's not incompatible with weaker students being able to pass by with lower grades. Getting bare minimum grades just isn't that difficult. edit: teammwork also seemed to be strongly encouraged. It wasn't a place that wanted you to fail. It wanted to help you succeed, which is by all means a good thing.
  - KMag 5y ago
    > There isn't grade inflation. That depends on your definition of grade inflation. I think most of my undergrad classes at MIT had a median grade somewhere in the B range, maybe B-. Edit: I know some people consider a non-inflated grade curve to be C-centered. I came to MIT with more than a year's worth of credits from the U of MN, including 6 trimesters of honors level math[0] (multivariable calc, linear algebra, diff. eq.). I had all As, except a B in my Intro to World Politics class. My senior year of HS, I was actually taking a bit over a "full course load" at the U of MN, plus 1/4 time at my HS. I could sleepwalk through nearly straight A's at a pretty well regarded school's honors program. I was a B/C student at MIT. I like to think that a lot of it was that some "wise" uperclassmen had sat me down my freshman year and explained that once you had a degree from MIT, nobody would ask for your GPA. (The were wrong, BTW. Work for those grades.) I taught myself most of a CS degree while earning a degree in Mechanical Engineering. However, I was also too slow to put my ego in check and admit to myself that I really needed to work hard. [0] https://cse.umn.edu/mathcep/about-umtymp https://cse.umn.edu/mathcep/about-umtymp
    - azinman2 5y ago
      Sounds like you’re effectively saying there wasn’t grade inflation. You were an A student elsewhere and then become a B/C student at MIT despite working hard. That’s my point — now imagine you were only an A student because you were rich and somehow swindled those good grades in high school. Imagine what would happen at MIT. Note that Harvard undergrad has something like an A- average. That’s grade inflation.
      - KMag 5y ago
        I certainly agree with your broader point: nobody is handed a degree from MIT. If they have a degree, they've put in the work and have a good grasp of the subject matter. (Also, MIT doesn't give out honorary degrees.)
erdos4d 5y ago
Well, Trump did it, that's one data point. Also, he did fine at U Penn, an Ivy, so why should we assume MIT is so awesome that another rich kid couldn't cheat his way through there?
- azinman2 5y ago
  Technically MIT isn't an ivy league school. But either way, what makes you think all Ivy's are the same?
  - erdos4d 5y ago
    I'm just saying that U Penn, being an Ivy, has as much "reputation" as MIT, CalTech, etc. Until someone pipes up with some sort of proof that it is actually better (which I doubt it is), then why should U Penn's reputation allow a Trump to go through, but at MIT such a thing could never occur? I'm not seeing it frankly.
    - jjitz 5y ago
      As an MIT grad with many friends at other Ivies, I can tell you that it is more rigorous than pretty much all of them. Princeton is probably the closest.
    - scarmig 5y ago
      MIT is absolutely harder and more rigorous than UPenn (and, for that matter, HYP). If you compare the GPAs of people from those schools and e.g. MCAT scores, MIT students exhibit a much stronger positive correlation. This is pretty common knowledge, in the same way people know that Berkeley and CalTech have tougher classes than Stanford.
- kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
  The man is functionally illiterate so it's likely someone else did it in his name.
paulpauper 5y ago
But saying you got into MIT, plus the connections there, probably would still help
- azinman2 5y ago
  If you fail out, it doesn’t look so good, and everyone will know. I wouldn’t expect many connections to last if you’re not someone people respect.

spywaregorilla 5y ago

MIT is one of the more rigorous schools but I expect its still pretty easy to avoid failing out.

azinman2 5y ago
Do you speak from experience? I attended it for grad school and not undergrad, but there was the expectation that you stand on your own. I was in one of the rare programs that was a terminal masters and you had to reapply for the PhD, and only 50% were accepted to the PhD. I think there probably aren't too many failing out of undergrad simply because they do a great job of filtering in the first place. But I know people who attended that certainly struggled... one who came a C student and still want on to a great medical school and a successful career. There isn't grade inflation.
- spywaregorilla 5y ago
  I also attended it for grad school only. Nobody was even close to failing out. I don't think MIT did a lot of grade inflation and generally regard it as a very strong academic institution. That's not incompatible with weaker students being able to pass by with lower grades. Getting bare minimum grades just isn't that difficult. edit: teammwork also seemed to be strongly encouraged. It wasn't a place that wanted you to fail. It wanted to help you succeed, which is by all means a good thing.
- KMag 5y ago
  > There isn't grade inflation. That depends on your definition of grade inflation. I think most of my undergrad classes at MIT had a median grade somewhere in the B range, maybe B-. Edit: I know some people consider a non-inflated grade curve to be C-centered. I came to MIT with more than a year's worth of credits from the U of MN, including 6 trimesters of honors level math[0] (multivariable calc, linear algebra, diff. eq.). I had all As, except a B in my Intro to World Politics class. My senior year of HS, I was actually taking a bit over a "full course load" at the U of MN, plus 1/4 time at my HS. I could sleepwalk through nearly straight A's at a pretty well regarded school's honors program. I was a B/C student at MIT. I like to think that a lot of it was that some "wise" uperclassmen had sat me down my freshman year and explained that once you had a degree from MIT, nobody would ask for your GPA. (The were wrong, BTW. Work for those grades.) I taught myself most of a CS degree while earning a degree in Mechanical Engineering. However, I was also too slow to put my ego in check and admit to myself that I really needed to work hard. [0] https://cse.umn.edu/mathcep/about-umtymp https://cse.umn.edu/mathcep/about-umtymp
  - azinman2 5y ago
    Sounds like you’re effectively saying there wasn’t grade inflation. You were an A student elsewhere and then become a B/C student at MIT despite working hard. That’s my point — now imagine you were only an A student because you were rich and somehow swindled those good grades in high school. Imagine what would happen at MIT. Note that Harvard undergrad has something like an A- average. That’s grade inflation.
    - KMag 5y ago
      I certainly agree with your broader point: nobody is handed a degree from MIT. If they have a degree, they've put in the work and have a good grasp of the subject matter. (Also, MIT doesn't give out honorary degrees.)

erdos4d 5y ago

Well, Trump did it, that's one data point. Also, he did fine at U Penn, an Ivy, so why should we assume MIT is so awesome that another rich kid couldn't cheat his way through there?

azinman2 5y ago
Technically MIT isn't an ivy league school. But either way, what makes you think all Ivy's are the same?
- erdos4d 5y ago
  I'm just saying that U Penn, being an Ivy, has as much "reputation" as MIT, CalTech, etc. Until someone pipes up with some sort of proof that it is actually better (which I doubt it is), then why should U Penn's reputation allow a Trump to go through, but at MIT such a thing could never occur? I'm not seeing it frankly.
  - jjitz 5y ago
    As an MIT grad with many friends at other Ivies, I can tell you that it is more rigorous than pretty much all of them. Princeton is probably the closest.
  - scarmig 5y ago
    MIT is absolutely harder and more rigorous than UPenn (and, for that matter, HYP). If you compare the GPAs of people from those schools and e.g. MCAT scores, MIT students exhibit a much stronger positive correlation. This is pretty common knowledge, in the same way people know that Berkeley and CalTech have tougher classes than Stanford.
kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
The man is functionally illiterate so it's likely someone else did it in his name.

paulpauper 5y ago

But saying you got into MIT, plus the connections there, probably would still help

azinman2 5y ago
If you fail out, it doesn’t look so good, and everyone will know. I wouldn’t expect many connections to last if you’re not someone people respect.