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W3C is irrelevant these days. The "Web" is what Google decides it to be - what new APIs to add to Chrome, what protocols to use (HTTP/2, HTTP/3) to access it.

by 323 5y ago

shadowgovt 5y ago
That's what they used to say about Microsoft. Large players come and go. Chrome is at the head now because MS rested on their laurels and IE's performance rotted enough for a new player to take them on in market-share.
- ygra 5y ago
  I don't particularly see a new large player come in the browser space, though. Creating a browser from scratch is a huge untertaking and the fact that everyone except Google, Mozilla, and Apply have given up is testament to that. Edge (Legacy) was a decent browser, but keeping up even with still missing Web APIs proved too expensive (alongside fixing bugs). Safari may be in the same pickle these days with apparently a sizeable backlog of missing features and incompatible implementations. Granted, that may also be due to many developers assuming Chrome to be a reference implementation. If a new player comes along I'd guess it will be based on Blink, but they would probably need more resources than Google can throw at Chrome. And a way to finance them ... there's probably too few people willing to pay for a browser these days.
  - judge2020 5y ago
    The point is that Google is managing their dominance properly, only really held off from >90% dominance by Apple's WebKit rule for iOS App Store apps.
    - 323 5y ago
      You mean like disabling important functionality required by uBlock and other ad-blockers? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/googles-manifest-v3-still-hurts-privacy-security-innovation https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/googles-manifest-v3-st...
      - fomine3 5y ago
        I don't like but to be fair Safari do the same thing.
      - shadowgovt 5y ago
        Disabling functionality that allows attackers to backdoor changes to their plugin behavior in without getting the plugin re-vetted, yes.
    - kingcharles 5y ago
      They said that about Facebook...
  - shadowgovt 5y ago
    I don't think anyone saw Chrome coming until it blew up nearly overnight, if memory serves.
    - TAKEMYMONEY 5y ago
      They did, check out this article Browser Wars: The Sequel from 2010 https://web.archive.org/web/20150611210558/https://www.bloomberg.com/bw/magazine/content/10_10/b4169074693523.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20150611210558/https://www.bloom... It didn't blow up overnight, it was more like 3-4 years, but it was meteoric compared to what we were used to

W3C is irrelevant these days. The "Web" is what Google decides it to be - what new APIs to add to Chrome, what protocols to use (HTTP/2, HTTP/3) to access it.

by 323 5y ago

W3C is irrelevant these days. The "Web" is what Google decides it to be - what new APIs to add to Chrome, what protocols to use (HTTP/2, HTTP/3) to access it.

shadowgovt 5y ago

That's what they used to say about Microsoft. Large players come and go. Chrome is at the head now because MS rested on their laurels and IE's performance rotted enough for a new player to take them on in market-share.

ygra 5y ago
I don't particularly see a new large player come in the browser space, though. Creating a browser from scratch is a huge untertaking and the fact that everyone except Google, Mozilla, and Apply have given up is testament to that. Edge (Legacy) was a decent browser, but keeping up even with still missing Web APIs proved too expensive (alongside fixing bugs). Safari may be in the same pickle these days with apparently a sizeable backlog of missing features and incompatible implementations. Granted, that may also be due to many developers assuming Chrome to be a reference implementation. If a new player comes along I'd guess it will be based on Blink, but they would probably need more resources than Google can throw at Chrome. And a way to finance them ... there's probably too few people willing to pay for a browser these days.
- judge2020 5y ago
  The point is that Google is managing their dominance properly, only really held off from >90% dominance by Apple's WebKit rule for iOS App Store apps.
  - 323 5y ago
    You mean like disabling important functionality required by uBlock and other ad-blockers? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/googles-manifest-v3-still-hurts-privacy-security-innovation https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/googles-manifest-v3-st...
    - fomine3 5y ago
      I don't like but to be fair Safari do the same thing.
    - shadowgovt 5y ago
      Disabling functionality that allows attackers to backdoor changes to their plugin behavior in without getting the plugin re-vetted, yes.
  - kingcharles 5y ago
    They said that about Facebook...
- shadowgovt 5y ago
  I don't think anyone saw Chrome coming until it blew up nearly overnight, if memory serves.
  - TAKEMYMONEY 5y ago
    They did, check out this article Browser Wars: The Sequel from 2010 https://web.archive.org/web/20150611210558/https://www.bloomberg.com/bw/magazine/content/10_10/b4169074693523.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20150611210558/https://www.bloom... It didn't blow up overnight, it was more like 3-4 years, but it was meteoric compared to what we were used to