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And not just in two German states: https://multipolarista.com/2022/03/03/crime-support-russia-ukraine-eu-slovakia-czech/ https://multipolarista.com/2022/03/03/

And not just in two German states: https://multipolarista.com/2022/03/03/crime-support-russia-ukraine-eu-slovakia-czech/ https://multipolarista.com/2022/03/03/crime-support-russia-u... "It’s a jailable crime to support Russia’s Ukraine war in EU members Slovakia and Czech Republic" The title actually makes it sound less drastic than it is. Czech Republic, Slovakia and Latvia actively investigate people "supporting" or "accepting" the invasion. There are official statements from government representatives, there are hot lines to snitch on your fellow citizens, and yes, there have been arrests.

scrollaway 5y ago
Where are you from? I'm asking because it sounds from your post like you're opposed to those countries taking such measures. I've seen people be outraged at this sort of stuff and without fail, it's always been someone who's nice and safe and not in danger of being invaded by Russia. My take on it is that unless you're from one of those countries, or have some other form of close experience or relationship with those countries, you don't really get to judge this. Supporting the war is tantamount to treason over there, because it is. Those countries are in danger of being the next target. When is it okay to make it treason to support or accept a foreign invasion like this? When it happens more than two borders over? One border? Only when it's your own? Or maybe it's never okay, live and let live, the putin wants what the putin wants?
- glogla 5y ago
  I don't know about other places, but at least in Czech Republic, approving Russian invasion it is not treason but it falls under generic law of "publicly endorsing crimes and atrocities" or whatever is it called. You could get prosecuted for approving terrorist acts, genocides, whatever else. Most of the time it ends in probation and fine, I think one famous case was with some asswipe celebrating the New Zealand mass shooting. There is also law against "promoting movements that aim to attack human rights and freedom" which is the law that lands you in prison if you promote Nazi ideology, wear Nazi symbols and similar. The Russian Z would fit there as well.
- rightbyte 5y ago
  How is it treason to support (as in cheer for not support military) a country in a war your country is not fighting? Would it be treason to support Iraq too? The government decides what side to be legal to support? These laws are very much an unfortunate slippery slope.
  - scrollaway 5y ago
    > How is it treason to support (as in cheer for not support military) a country in a war your country is not fighting? Because geography? Do you still not get that if Ukraine falls, those countries are next? Do you still not get that while Ukraine fights for its existence, its western neighbours are hoping all to god this gets resolved before it reaches them? Do you still not get that Europe is sending billions of euros of military aid to Ukraine, so that the fight stays contained within Ukraine? And do you still not get that the further this spreads, the higher the risk of nuclear war? This isn't a game anymore. This isn't Keyboard Warrior Happy Time, where we all get together and meta-talk about a variety of fallacies on the news du jour that might happen years down the line. People are fucking dying by the thousands, and if we don't stop it, it'll be by the millions. The pandemic was nothing compared to what we're potentially facing if we fuck up.
    - rightbyte 5y ago
      Maybe the gas line should be closed off before German citizen are prosecuted by its elite for supporting Russia? I mean transferring huge amount of money helps the war effort more than Z-stickers. I guess the gov. decides what support is OK. It is hilarious that some parts of Germany outlaws "Z" while at the same time giving weapons that will end up in the Azov regiment, which soldiers would be thrown in jail in Germany for wearing their nazi insignia. Like, Germany is for real arming neonazis in a foreign war. But I guess I am the mad person for believing "the West" should not touch this war with a 10ft pole.
      - ls15 5y ago
        Is by your definition everyone who is resisting the Russian invasion a neonazi?
jhgb 5y ago
Nothing drastic about that. If anything, 40/2009 Sb. § 365, § 404, and § 405 had been underused in the past.
space_rock 5y ago
Is this a surprise? What country would not investigate supporter of an enemy military in their boarders
confidantlake 5y ago
Czechloslovakia was invaded by the Russians in 1968. I can see why supporting the Russian invasion of Ukraine is illegal.
slapo 5y ago
It seems that the article is being rather sensationalist about this. In case of Slovakia, the cited law says that: - deliberately threatening peace by instigating war, spreading war propaganda or otherwise supporting war efforts is a crime punisheable by gaol sentences of 1 to 10 years. - the sentence is 10 to 25 years or lifetime: - if the perpetrator is doing so on behalf or in connection with a foreign power - as a member of a dangerous group (not specified in the article, but likely elsewhere) - during a crisis Slovakia has declared a state of emergency, as there's a war in a neighbouring country. There wasn't any mobilisation yet AFAIK, though. There's nothing in the cited law to do with Russia or Ukraine specifically. https://spravy.rtvs.sk/2022/02/za-podporu-vojnovej-propagandy-hrozi-az-dozivotie/ https://spravy.rtvs.sk/2022/02/za-podporu-vojnovej-propagand... > The title actually makes it sound less drastic than it is. Czech Republic, Slovakia and Latvia actively investigate people "supporting" or "accepting" the invasion. There are official statements from government representatives, there are hot lines to snitch on your fellow citizens, and yes, there have been arrests. It's actually only Latvia that the article mentions to have a hotline.

scrollaway 5y ago

Where are you from? I'm asking because it sounds from your post like you're opposed to those countries taking such measures. I've seen people be outraged at this sort of stuff and without fail, it's always been someone who's nice and safe and not in danger of being invaded by Russia. My take on it is that unless you're from one of those countries, or have some other form of close experience or relationship with those countries, you don't really get to judge this. Supporting the war is tantamount to treason over there, because it is. Those countries are in danger of being the next target. When is it okay to make it treason to support or accept a foreign invasion like this? When it happens more than two borders over? One border? Only when it's your own? Or maybe it's never okay, live and let live, the putin wants what the putin wants?

glogla 5y ago
I don't know about other places, but at least in Czech Republic, approving Russian invasion it is not treason but it falls under generic law of "publicly endorsing crimes and atrocities" or whatever is it called. You could get prosecuted for approving terrorist acts, genocides, whatever else. Most of the time it ends in probation and fine, I think one famous case was with some asswipe celebrating the New Zealand mass shooting. There is also law against "promoting movements that aim to attack human rights and freedom" which is the law that lands you in prison if you promote Nazi ideology, wear Nazi symbols and similar. The Russian Z would fit there as well.
rightbyte 5y ago
How is it treason to support (as in cheer for not support military) a country in a war your country is not fighting? Would it be treason to support Iraq too? The government decides what side to be legal to support? These laws are very much an unfortunate slippery slope.
- scrollaway 5y ago
  > How is it treason to support (as in cheer for not support military) a country in a war your country is not fighting? Because geography? Do you still not get that if Ukraine falls, those countries are next? Do you still not get that while Ukraine fights for its existence, its western neighbours are hoping all to god this gets resolved before it reaches them? Do you still not get that Europe is sending billions of euros of military aid to Ukraine, so that the fight stays contained within Ukraine? And do you still not get that the further this spreads, the higher the risk of nuclear war? This isn't a game anymore. This isn't Keyboard Warrior Happy Time, where we all get together and meta-talk about a variety of fallacies on the news du jour that might happen years down the line. People are fucking dying by the thousands, and if we don't stop it, it'll be by the millions. The pandemic was nothing compared to what we're potentially facing if we fuck up.
  - rightbyte 5y ago
    Maybe the gas line should be closed off before German citizen are prosecuted by its elite for supporting Russia? I mean transferring huge amount of money helps the war effort more than Z-stickers. I guess the gov. decides what support is OK. It is hilarious that some parts of Germany outlaws "Z" while at the same time giving weapons that will end up in the Azov regiment, which soldiers would be thrown in jail in Germany for wearing their nazi insignia. Like, Germany is for real arming neonazis in a foreign war. But I guess I am the mad person for believing "the West" should not touch this war with a 10ft pole.
    - ls15 5y ago
      Is by your definition everyone who is resisting the Russian invasion a neonazi?

jhgb 5y ago

Nothing drastic about that. If anything, 40/2009 Sb. § 365, § 404, and § 405 had been underused in the past.

space_rock 5y ago

Is this a surprise? What country would not investigate supporter of an enemy military in their boarders

confidantlake 5y ago

Czechloslovakia was invaded by the Russians in 1968. I can see why supporting the Russian invasion of Ukraine is illegal.

slapo 5y ago

It seems that the article is being rather sensationalist about this. In case of Slovakia, the cited law says that: - deliberately threatening peace by instigating war, spreading war propaganda or otherwise supporting war efforts is a crime punisheable by gaol sentences of 1 to 10 years. - the sentence is 10 to 25 years or lifetime: - if the perpetrator is doing so on behalf or in connection with a foreign power - as a member of a dangerous group (not specified in the article, but likely elsewhere) - during a crisis Slovakia has declared a state of emergency, as there's a war in a neighbouring country. There wasn't any mobilisation yet AFAIK, though. There's nothing in the cited law to do with Russia or Ukraine specifically. https://spravy.rtvs.sk/2022/02/za-podporu-vojnovej-propagandy-hrozi-az-dozivotie/ https://spravy.rtvs.sk/2022/02/za-podporu-vojnovej-propagand... > The title actually makes it sound less drastic than it is. Czech Republic, Slovakia and Latvia actively investigate people "supporting" or "accepting" the invasion. There are official statements from government representatives, there are hot lines to snitch on your fellow citizens, and yes, there have been arrests. It's actually only Latvia that the article mentions to have a hotline.