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i’m not vegan, but the egg industry is probably one of the most atrocious concerning animal welfare iiuc. they do slaughter chicks in droves—just not for meat
by hnrj95 5y ago
i’m not vegan, but the egg industry is probably one of the most atrocious concerning animal welfare iiuc. they do slaughter chicks in droves—just not for meat
- traviswt 5y agoAnimal welfare should not focus on if an animal dies if the alternative is for it to never live at all. Any amount of time, even a day after hatching, is greater than zero. Instead we should focus on quality of life and how humane the death is.
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- macintux 5y agoHypothetically if slavery resulted in more children, we should never have abolished it?
- hunterb123 5y ago1. Freed slaves became independent. They aren't chickens which wouldn't survive in a non domesticated environment. 2. Farming chickens and enslaving people is not even remotely on the same level.
- spaetzleesser 5y ago“They aren't chickens which wouldn't survive in a non domesticated environment.” You would be very surprised how quickly animals can adapt to a new environment. There are plenty of examples of domesticated animals being released into the wild and doing just fine.
- hunterb123 5y agoCows and chickens will not survive in the wild, I promise you. Yes, dogs, horses, and others can in certain instances.
- brimble 5y agoI'd think dogs are mostly able to because they're still around humans and can scavenge off our garbage. Any breed that's not damn close to a wolf, I'd expect not to be able to find/catch enough food to survive long if dropped in actual wilderness. Chickens would become food for other animals in days, at most. It's hard enough to keep that from happening when they're kept, let alone in the wild. Cows are like giant, extremely stupid deer, so I doubt we'd tolerate them in the wild anywhere even slightly near civilization, putting aside their ability to survive on their own (which I also doubt—first bad Winter would take care of them, I reckon).
- spaetzleesser 5y agoNot that we we will be able to test it, but I would bet against your promise. I don’t see a reason why cows or chickens couldn’t survive in the wild. Not in all areas obviously but I am sure there are areas where climate, vegetation and predators allow them to thrive. We have wild turkeys, we have quail, so why not chickens? And if horses can survive, then cows can too. Horses are way more fragile than cows.
- hunterb123 5y agoHave you dealt with chickens, turkeys, horses, or cows in real life? Because it doesn't seem like you have. Horses are in no way more fragile than cows, especially wild stallions. I've raised turkeys, chickens, cows, and horses. The turkeys and chickens people eat are not the same as wild turkeys, they would not survive without humans.
- spaetzleesser 5y agoYes I have dealt plenty with horses, cows, goats, pigs, chickens, rabbits, ducks and others. My contention is that you would be surprised how quickly animals would adapt. The notion that we are doing them a favor by keeping them because otherwise they would not survive is nonsense in my opinion.
- traviswt 5y agoThere is one belief everyone must share for western society to function: humans are special. If you disagree and equate owning a chicken to owning a human, then I have no reasoning which will satisfy you or your hypothetical. Our entire western society is built upon humans being special and having dominion, over both plants _and_ animals.
- pmoriarty 5y agoIt's not just the slaughter of chicks that's horrific, but: 1 - how they do it -- male chicks are often just thrown alive in to grinders 2 - the debeaking of chickens If this was happening to humans there'd be outrage, but because it happens to animals most people don't care.