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Personal experience has taught me that there is a MAXIMUM amount of COMP that you will receive as an employee, no matter how much hard work you put into your co

Personal experience has taught me that there is a MAXIMUM amount of COMP that you will receive as an employee, no matter how much hard work you put into your company. So basically what is happening, is that you are working hard for some achievements, that someone else is going to benefit off.

giantg2 5y ago
And that max level is specific to each individual based largely on things out of their control, like politics. Edit: why downvote?
matheusmoreira 5y ago
Yes. Compensation is best measured as hourly rate: $/h. Working too hard just decreases that ratio because work hours increase while money stays constant.
- jhgb 5y ago
  > Working too hard just decreases that ratio because work hours increase while money stays constant I assume this may hold for the US, but not for many other countries. For example in my country the hourly rate for overtime hours is higher by law. Your hourly compensation decrease while working longer would only decrease if you were an external contractor paid a fixed amount of money for completion of a specific task.
  - adamsmith143 5y ago
    We aren't really talking about overtime though, which also exists in the US, but the amount of output during a normal 8 hour day. You might get paid somewhat more than a peer for putting out 2x the output but there are massive diminishing returns.
    - jhgb 5y ago
      What I was responding to literally talked about "work hours increase". I don't see how you can have "work hours increase" and simultaneously keep the same "normal 8 hour day". That sounds contradictory to me.
      - matheusmoreira 5y ago
        Even for salaried employees it is not rational to work too hard. You may spend 8 hours at work but you don't spend every minute of that time actually working. You could optimize that if you wanted but you're not going to be rewarded proportionally if at all. Returns diminish quickly and that's if your efforts are even noticed. Burning oneself out to finish something quickly can even backfire since managers can always just find more work that needs to be done.
  - Der_Einzige 5y ago
    In the USA we have this but not for salaried positions, and most engineers are salaried - hence why they are incentivized to work less.
epolanski 5y ago
> Personal experience has taught me that there is a MAXIMUM amount of COMP that you will receive as an employee, no matter how much hard work you put into your company. Sure, but putting more craft and care and study in your tasks benefits you a lot too. e.g. I have spent two weeks on an airbnb-like image gallery, could've completed the task in four days, used the time to become black belt in images in the browser, which makes ME a considerably better and more prepared professional. The way I see it I'm getting paid for educating and specializing myself. AND it benefits my current employer and our customers. Meanwhile my colleagues rush into the next task don't rip any of these benefits.
csee 5y ago
The % of value that you create which you keep as COMP decreases as your value creation increases.

giantg2 5y ago

And that max level is specific to each individual based largely on things out of their control, like politics. Edit: why downvote?

matheusmoreira 5y ago

Yes. Compensation is best measured as hourly rate: $/h. Working too hard just decreases that ratio because work hours increase while money stays constant.

jhgb 5y ago
> Working too hard just decreases that ratio because work hours increase while money stays constant I assume this may hold for the US, but not for many other countries. For example in my country the hourly rate for overtime hours is higher by law. Your hourly compensation decrease while working longer would only decrease if you were an external contractor paid a fixed amount of money for completion of a specific task.
- adamsmith143 5y ago
  We aren't really talking about overtime though, which also exists in the US, but the amount of output during a normal 8 hour day. You might get paid somewhat more than a peer for putting out 2x the output but there are massive diminishing returns.
  - jhgb 5y ago
    What I was responding to literally talked about "work hours increase". I don't see how you can have "work hours increase" and simultaneously keep the same "normal 8 hour day". That sounds contradictory to me.
    - matheusmoreira 5y ago
      Even for salaried employees it is not rational to work too hard. You may spend 8 hours at work but you don't spend every minute of that time actually working. You could optimize that if you wanted but you're not going to be rewarded proportionally if at all. Returns diminish quickly and that's if your efforts are even noticed. Burning oneself out to finish something quickly can even backfire since managers can always just find more work that needs to be done.
- Der_Einzige 5y ago
  In the USA we have this but not for salaried positions, and most engineers are salaried - hence why they are incentivized to work less.

epolanski 5y ago

> Personal experience has taught me that there is a MAXIMUM amount of COMP that you will receive as an employee, no matter how much hard work you put into your company. Sure, but putting more craft and care and study in your tasks benefits you a lot too. e.g. I have spent two weeks on an airbnb-like image gallery, could've completed the task in four days, used the time to become black belt in images in the browser, which makes ME a considerably better and more prepared professional. The way I see it I'm getting paid for educating and specializing myself. AND it benefits my current employer and our customers. Meanwhile my colleagues rush into the next task don't rip any of these benefits.

csee 5y ago

The % of value that you create which you keep as COMP decreases as your value creation increases.