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> “CODA” becomes the first film with a predominantly Deaf cast to win Best Picture Whenever I see a movie/series starring a minority getting high awards I alwa

> “CODA” becomes the first film with a predominantly Deaf cast to win Best Picture Whenever I see a movie/series starring a minority getting high awards I always think about if it was awarded for actually being good, or just because it had a cast filled with a lesser represented group and juries didn't want to come off as racist.

Apocryphon 5y ago
It was up against the biopic of the Williams sisters' father "King Richard", Japanese film "Drive My Car", Stephen Spielberg's remake of "West Side Story", and gay western "The Power of the Dog". Perhaps the last was the second time such a film has been snubbed by the Academy, after "Brokeback Mountain" was infamously passed over by "Crash" in 2005.
vmception 5y ago
Whenever I see racist used in a sentence about deaf people I always think about if the person saying it has any idea what they're talking about, or if this is an example of language "evolving". Admittedly this is a sample size of 1.
- Ourgon 5y ago
  He should have used the term ableist [1] instead of racist, true. Then again, I'm sure you understood what he meant even if he did not use the correct -ist/-phobe/-privilege term of the moment. Also, his question - did this movie get lauded because of being a good movie or because its cast is made up out of people from a certain identity group - is not that far-fetched. [1] The spell checker in Firefox recognises ableist as a valid word where it would not have done so only a few years back. This is not language evolution, it is revolutionary language.
- Overtonwindow 5y ago
  Greater than one. The academy has put a significant amount of preference on race, so that none of these awards actually represent the movies or the performances, but the racial make up of the cast and crew.
- abdusco 5y ago
  I know difference in hearing ability is not something that constitutes a "race". But I consume a lot of US media I've come to accept that "racism/racist" can be used for anything that describes discrimination against a certain group.
  - orev 5y ago
    “Racism” is definitely defined as discrimination because of race. It doesn’t matter that the general twitterverse has decided to misuse a term. (don’t get me started on the now constant incorrect use of “calculus” instead of “calculation”) The word you’re looking for is “bigot/bigotry”.
    - Ourgon 5y ago
      The ADL changed the definition of the term racism somewhere in 2020 to mean The marginalization of people of color based on a socially constructed racial hierarchy that privileges white people. They changed it to something slightly less inflammatory in the beginning of 2022 but the fact stands that this organisation deemed the time to be ripe to go fully anti-white - i.e. to become racist according to the correct, printed-dictionary interpretation of that term. This is not the Twitterverse, it is (or at least used to be) one of the mainstays in the "fight" for a "more just society".
dagmx 5y ago
Would you flip that around and say that people are only receptive to movies with white, straight abled leads because it has a group that the majority can identify with, either through being of that demographic or as a byproduct of colonialism?
- Ourgon 5y ago
  You can flip it around in the sense that a movie which only stars those specific leads is unlikely to end up with any awards specifically due to the demographics of the cast. This actually reinforces the validity of the question asked by the parent.
  - dagmx 5y ago
    How is it unlikely for them to earn those awards? The majority of winners, even last night, are straight, white, abled people. The majority of films that have won in the past have been that way too. I don't think you actually really follow the Oscars so much as complain about a false sense of virtue signaling
    - Ourgon 5y ago
      a movie which only stars those specific leads is unlikely to end up with any awards Movie, not individual actors. Movies with a cast of only this unfavoured identity class are unlikely to gain any awards. > The majority of films that have won in the past have been that way too The past is not now, my comment relates to the here and now ('is unlikely to', not 'was unlikely to'). The obsession with D.I.E [1] is a recent phenomenon. > I don't think you actually really follow the Oscars There you are right, I don't. I do read quite a bit about it but I never watched any of those shows, it is just not my thing. > complain about a false sense of virtue signalling False? We're talking about the organisation which went full Soviet by proclaiming movies needed to abide to their D.I.E. rules to be considered for academy awards [2] as part of their D.I.E. plan [3]. Read [2] and report back on whether this is anything but virtue signalling. [1] Diversity, Inclusion, Equity [2] https://www.oscars.org/news/academy-establishes-representation-and-inclusion-standards-oscarsr-eligibility https://www.oscars.org/news/academy-establishes-representati... [2] https://www.oscars.org/news/academy-announces-next-phase-equity-and-inclusion-initiatives https://www.oscars.org/news/academy-announces-next-phase-equ...
KarlKemp 5y ago
Well this should disabuse you of that notion: — it’s a secret ballot — the members of the jury aren’t widely known, as far as I can tell — they care little for the reputation of the institution itself — those that care are more likely to hate it for being snubbed in the past — those that won obviously deserved the price and feel strongly that a meritocracy abhors loyalty = this is a great chance to really vote with the heart, including settling a few scores with any group you secretly loath especially because “political correctness” forces you to keep it to yourself the rest of the year Bonus inconsistency: — there have been all-deaf movies before that didn’t win Some groups were systematically or implicitly excluded from honors such as the Oscars for centuries. It’s great to see the trend bending towards justice. Unfortunately, they sometimes see their legitimate success undermined by various “but you didn’t really win the price/get hired/become President” strategies. So… congratulations to being part of the problem, I guess.
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prirun 5y ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/08/movies/oscars-diversity-rules-best-picture.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/08/movies/oscars-diversity-r...

Apocryphon 5y ago

It was up against the biopic of the Williams sisters' father "King Richard", Japanese film "Drive My Car", Stephen Spielberg's remake of "West Side Story", and gay western "The Power of the Dog". Perhaps the last was the second time such a film has been snubbed by the Academy, after "Brokeback Mountain" was infamously passed over by "Crash" in 2005.

vmception 5y ago

Whenever I see racist used in a sentence about deaf people I always think about if the person saying it has any idea what they're talking about, or if this is an example of language "evolving". Admittedly this is a sample size of 1.

Ourgon 5y ago
He should have used the term ableist [1] instead of racist, true. Then again, I'm sure you understood what he meant even if he did not use the correct -ist/-phobe/-privilege term of the moment. Also, his question - did this movie get lauded because of being a good movie or because its cast is made up out of people from a certain identity group - is not that far-fetched. [1] The spell checker in Firefox recognises ableist as a valid word where it would not have done so only a few years back. This is not language evolution, it is revolutionary language.
Overtonwindow 5y ago
Greater than one. The academy has put a significant amount of preference on race, so that none of these awards actually represent the movies or the performances, but the racial make up of the cast and crew.
abdusco 5y ago
I know difference in hearing ability is not something that constitutes a "race". But I consume a lot of US media I've come to accept that "racism/racist" can be used for anything that describes discrimination against a certain group.
- orev 5y ago
  “Racism” is definitely defined as discrimination because of race. It doesn’t matter that the general twitterverse has decided to misuse a term. (don’t get me started on the now constant incorrect use of “calculus” instead of “calculation”) The word you’re looking for is “bigot/bigotry”.
  - Ourgon 5y ago
    The ADL changed the definition of the term racism somewhere in 2020 to mean The marginalization of people of color based on a socially constructed racial hierarchy that privileges white people. They changed it to something slightly less inflammatory in the beginning of 2022 but the fact stands that this organisation deemed the time to be ripe to go fully anti-white - i.e. to become racist according to the correct, printed-dictionary interpretation of that term. This is not the Twitterverse, it is (or at least used to be) one of the mainstays in the "fight" for a "more just society".

dagmx 5y ago

Would you flip that around and say that people are only receptive to movies with white, straight abled leads because it has a group that the majority can identify with, either through being of that demographic or as a byproduct of colonialism?

Ourgon 5y ago
You can flip it around in the sense that a movie which only stars those specific leads is unlikely to end up with any awards specifically due to the demographics of the cast. This actually reinforces the validity of the question asked by the parent.
- dagmx 5y ago
  How is it unlikely for them to earn those awards? The majority of winners, even last night, are straight, white, abled people. The majority of films that have won in the past have been that way too. I don't think you actually really follow the Oscars so much as complain about a false sense of virtue signaling
  - Ourgon 5y ago
    a movie which only stars those specific leads is unlikely to end up with any awards Movie, not individual actors. Movies with a cast of only this unfavoured identity class are unlikely to gain any awards. > The majority of films that have won in the past have been that way too The past is not now, my comment relates to the here and now ('is unlikely to', not 'was unlikely to'). The obsession with D.I.E [1] is a recent phenomenon. > I don't think you actually really follow the Oscars There you are right, I don't. I do read quite a bit about it but I never watched any of those shows, it is just not my thing. > complain about a false sense of virtue signalling False? We're talking about the organisation which went full Soviet by proclaiming movies needed to abide to their D.I.E. rules to be considered for academy awards [2] as part of their D.I.E. plan [3]. Read [2] and report back on whether this is anything but virtue signalling. [1] Diversity, Inclusion, Equity [2] https://www.oscars.org/news/academy-establishes-representation-and-inclusion-standards-oscarsr-eligibility https://www.oscars.org/news/academy-establishes-representati... [2] https://www.oscars.org/news/academy-announces-next-phase-equity-and-inclusion-initiatives https://www.oscars.org/news/academy-announces-next-phase-equ...

KarlKemp 5y ago

Well this should disabuse you of that notion: — it’s a secret ballot — the members of the jury aren’t widely known, as far as I can tell — they care little for the reputation of the institution itself — those that care are more likely to hate it for being snubbed in the past — those that won obviously deserved the price and feel strongly that a meritocracy abhors loyalty = this is a great chance to really vote with the heart, including settling a few scores with any group you secretly loath especially because “political correctness” forces you to keep it to yourself the rest of the year Bonus inconsistency: — there have been all-deaf movies before that didn’t win Some groups were systematically or implicitly excluded from honors such as the Oscars for centuries. It’s great to see the trend bending towards justice. Unfortunately, they sometimes see their legitimate success undermined by various “but you didn’t really win the price/get hired/become President” strategies. So… congratulations to being part of the problem, I guess.

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prirun 5y ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/08/movies/oscars-diversity-rules-best-picture.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/08/movies/oscars-diversity-r...