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> Is your HackerNews comment history that important to you? Uh??? Yes? I seek to understand & learn from myself & my past & what happens. Taking the time to wr

> Is your HackerNews comment history that important to you? Uh??? Yes? I seek to understand & learn from myself & my past & what happens. Taking the time to write in, to try to calibrate myself & others, communicate, & having it blown up is very much against the project. Please don't spew this remorseless anti-personal who-cares-about-yourself litter around my or anyone else's grounds, it's callous in extreme. We all care about who we are online. We invest ourselves. These arguments that we shouldn't care about ourselves come off extremely bad handed to me.

majormajor 5y ago
I care about who I am offline even more than online. Should I be pushing for persistent 24/7 video surveillance of public space, stores, malls, parks, etc, so that I can revisit all of that too without making my own effort to preserve what I find important?
- rektide 5y ago
  On the one hand: Posting content online & expecting it to stick around, and perhaps getting banned years down the road & losing it To: Whether or not we should have an expectation of our activity in stores/malls/parks accessible publicly & to us in pereptuity. Can you spot the difference? Is it clear to others that these cases aren't the same? This is a question of expectation & intent. No one has a reasonable expectation that what we do in a store/mall/park endure & be remembered. When we post into comments & threads in public spaces, and it lasts for years, & gets removed for some fault or issue, obliterated forever, that's a surprising change. What we did in parks has never been part of the public discourse. What we do online always has been. The differences are obvious. What we do online, for many of us, speaks much more closely to who we really are, because we are entailed into the bigger conversations happening, operating in a global sphere. Your local sphere probably isn't that relevant, and it was never going to be preserved anyways. Generally I just think it's bad form to assert your own priorities & value-systems over everyone elses. I don't think you've allowed room for other ways of seeing things. I think there's a lot of relative merits to both. Our online identities contain a lot of carefully-constructed thought that we would clearly want to be able to access, that most people will be free to access: the denial of that, in a shocking surprising manner, is obviously harmful & traumatic. Trying to steamroll that basic fact with some kind of Real World Real Talk comes off way bad to me.

majormajor 5y ago

I care about who I am offline even more than online. Should I be pushing for persistent 24/7 video surveillance of public space, stores, malls, parks, etc, so that I can revisit all of that too without making my own effort to preserve what I find important?

rektide 5y ago
On the one hand: Posting content online & expecting it to stick around, and perhaps getting banned years down the road & losing it To: Whether or not we should have an expectation of our activity in stores/malls/parks accessible publicly & to us in pereptuity. Can you spot the difference? Is it clear to others that these cases aren't the same? This is a question of expectation & intent. No one has a reasonable expectation that what we do in a store/mall/park endure & be remembered. When we post into comments & threads in public spaces, and it lasts for years, & gets removed for some fault or issue, obliterated forever, that's a surprising change. What we did in parks has never been part of the public discourse. What we do online always has been. The differences are obvious. What we do online, for many of us, speaks much more closely to who we really are, because we are entailed into the bigger conversations happening, operating in a global sphere. Your local sphere probably isn't that relevant, and it was never going to be preserved anyways. Generally I just think it's bad form to assert your own priorities & value-systems over everyone elses. I don't think you've allowed room for other ways of seeing things. I think there's a lot of relative merits to both. Our online identities contain a lot of carefully-constructed thought that we would clearly want to be able to access, that most people will be free to access: the denial of that, in a shocking surprising manner, is obviously harmful & traumatic. Trying to steamroll that basic fact with some kind of Real World Real Talk comes off way bad to me.