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When I see something like this I have to ask "if these people had come up with this a decade ago, why did it take them two years into a global pandemic to actua

by saurik 5y ago

When I see something like this I have to ask "if these people had come up with this a decade ago, why did it take them two years into a global pandemic to actually try it?".

alliao 5y ago
by admitting it's airborne I suspect it is a major upheaval on scope due to responsibilities of employers providing a safe working space.. hence the reluctance. it's too bad, we have careerest in every discipline, and somehow people in tenured positions didn't have the projection they needed to overcome all the noise.
solarmist 5y ago
Probably the same discoverability problem music, movies and apps suffer.
- saurik 5y ago
  Can you elaborate? I mean, this is the people who came up with the idea, not some end user.
  - solarmist 5y ago
    I mean an academic is inherently going to be cautious about putting forth something like this until they are throughly convinced from a public health perspective. But from an outside perspective there are likely plenty of lower stakes ways to take advantage of this. The example that occurs to me over was seeing UV disinfectants for tableware in restaurants 20 years ago in South Korea.
syntheweave 5y ago
Just look at how the medical orthodoxy has behaved: first solving the wrong problem by putting emphasis on skin contact and droplet spread. Vague messaging about masking. Little messaging about ventilation. And now denial and downplaying about long COVID. Scientific answers were there, but our institutions preferred to normalize their beliefs into their preexisting comfort zone and dismiss anything else with a "cool story bro". They only seem to learn after the blood has been spilled.
- barry-cotter 5y ago
  > Vague messaging about masking. It wasn't vague. The WHO, CDC and the US Surgeon General were clear, explicit and wrong. > The surgeon general has a message for people who want to run out and stockpile masks to combat the coronavirus – don't. > "Seriously people - STOP BUYING MASKS!" Surgeon General Jerome Adams tweeted. "They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!" https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/healthcare/2020/03/02/seriously-people---stop-buying-masks-surgeon-general-says-they-wont-protect-from-coronavirus/112244966/ https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/healthcare/2020/03/0... CDC does not currently recommend the use of facemasks to help prevent novel #coronavirus. Take everyday preventive actions, like staying home when you are sick and washing hands with soap and water, to help slow the spread of respiratory illness. https://twitter.com/cdcgov/status/1233134710638825473 https://twitter.com/cdcgov/status/1233134710638825473 Masks should not be worn by healthy people to prevent respiratory infection; there is no evidence that wearing masks prevents healthy people from getting sick and masks can be in short supply and unavailable for people who need them. https://twitter.com/jama_current/status/1235399635948142593 https://twitter.com/jama_current/status/1235399635948142593

by saurik 5y ago

When I see something like this I have to ask "if these people had come up with this a decade ago, why did it take them two years into a global pandemic to actually try it?".

alliao 5y ago

by admitting it's airborne I suspect it is a major upheaval on scope due to responsibilities of employers providing a safe working space.. hence the reluctance. it's too bad, we have careerest in every discipline, and somehow people in tenured positions didn't have the projection they needed to overcome all the noise.

solarmist 5y ago

Probably the same discoverability problem music, movies and apps suffer.

saurik 5y ago
Can you elaborate? I mean, this is the people who came up with the idea, not some end user.
- solarmist 5y ago
  I mean an academic is inherently going to be cautious about putting forth something like this until they are throughly convinced from a public health perspective. But from an outside perspective there are likely plenty of lower stakes ways to take advantage of this. The example that occurs to me over was seeing UV disinfectants for tableware in restaurants 20 years ago in South Korea.

syntheweave 5y ago

Just look at how the medical orthodoxy has behaved: first solving the wrong problem by putting emphasis on skin contact and droplet spread. Vague messaging about masking. Little messaging about ventilation. And now denial and downplaying about long COVID. Scientific answers were there, but our institutions preferred to normalize their beliefs into their preexisting comfort zone and dismiss anything else with a "cool story bro". They only seem to learn after the blood has been spilled.

barry-cotter 5y ago
> Vague messaging about masking. It wasn't vague. The WHO, CDC and the US Surgeon General were clear, explicit and wrong. > The surgeon general has a message for people who want to run out and stockpile masks to combat the coronavirus – don't. > "Seriously people - STOP BUYING MASKS!" Surgeon General Jerome Adams tweeted. "They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!" https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/healthcare/2020/03/02/seriously-people---stop-buying-masks-surgeon-general-says-they-wont-protect-from-coronavirus/112244966/ https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/healthcare/2020/03/0... CDC does not currently recommend the use of facemasks to help prevent novel #coronavirus. Take everyday preventive actions, like staying home when you are sick and washing hands with soap and water, to help slow the spread of respiratory illness. https://twitter.com/cdcgov/status/1233134710638825473 https://twitter.com/cdcgov/status/1233134710638825473 Masks should not be worn by healthy people to prevent respiratory infection; there is no evidence that wearing masks prevents healthy people from getting sick and masks can be in short supply and unavailable for people who need them. https://twitter.com/jama_current/status/1235399635948142593 https://twitter.com/jama_current/status/1235399635948142593