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It's child abuse for parents to hide the existence of gay relationships from their children. You're advocating child abuse under genteel language.

pirate787 5y ago
That's an absurd argument. Reductio ad absurdum. Every parent has the right to determine when and how their kids learn about various developmental and sexual topics.
- SamBam 5y ago
  Hmm, about 100 years of progressive era educational reforms would like to argue with you about that. Why is it that we consider sexual topics the one line that needs parental consent to learn or teach about? Seventeenth century American Puritanism, mostly.
- bwb 5y ago
  ya going to disagree here... society/education needs to play a big role here. Parents should homeschool their kids if they want that kind of control. Otherwise they should trust the education system to teach this and do the research to know when they should be taught.
  - morelisp 5y ago
    Parents should not be able to justify abusing their kids by homeschooling them either. The idea that same-sex marriage is a "sexual topic" but marriage between a man and a woman is not is patently ridiculous and we need to start recognizing that it's a cover for a hateful ideology. If ignored we're going to see the repeal of not just Obergefell but probably even Lawrence within the next two decades.
    - bwb 5y ago
      Ya I agree, but that isn't ever going to pass as a law in the USA given the religious right and broken culture. I think everyone should go to public school and outlaw private schools as well. Everyone should start from the same system. Totally agree on the idea of same-sex marriage.
zozbot234 5y ago
The most common same-sex analogue to heterosexual marriage by far is in fact sworn brotherhood. "Gay marriage" is a modern innovation that mostly matters as an indication of legal status, but not a good descriptor of actual social relationships. Teach your kids about sworn brotherhood, and they will be very well equipped to understand the implications of gay marriage, when that (along with the non-trivial complexities of things like sexual orientation, which will be quite simply illegible and irrelevant to them prior to the biological changes of adolescence) becomes more relevant to them.

pirate787 5y ago

That's an absurd argument. Reductio ad absurdum. Every parent has the right to determine when and how their kids learn about various developmental and sexual topics.

SamBam 5y ago
Hmm, about 100 years of progressive era educational reforms would like to argue with you about that. Why is it that we consider sexual topics the one line that needs parental consent to learn or teach about? Seventeenth century American Puritanism, mostly.
bwb 5y ago
ya going to disagree here... society/education needs to play a big role here. Parents should homeschool their kids if they want that kind of control. Otherwise they should trust the education system to teach this and do the research to know when they should be taught.
- morelisp 5y ago
  Parents should not be able to justify abusing their kids by homeschooling them either. The idea that same-sex marriage is a "sexual topic" but marriage between a man and a woman is not is patently ridiculous and we need to start recognizing that it's a cover for a hateful ideology. If ignored we're going to see the repeal of not just Obergefell but probably even Lawrence within the next two decades.
  - bwb 5y ago
    Ya I agree, but that isn't ever going to pass as a law in the USA given the religious right and broken culture. I think everyone should go to public school and outlaw private schools as well. Everyone should start from the same system. Totally agree on the idea of same-sex marriage.

zozbot234 5y ago

The most common same-sex analogue to heterosexual marriage by far is in fact sworn brotherhood. "Gay marriage" is a modern innovation that mostly matters as an indication of legal status, but not a good descriptor of actual social relationships. Teach your kids about sworn brotherhood, and they will be very well equipped to understand the implications of gay marriage, when that (along with the non-trivial complexities of things like sexual orientation, which will be quite simply illegible and irrelevant to them prior to the biological changes of adolescence) becomes more relevant to them.