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- Nothing BS about the first link. - The second one has been debunked repeatedly. Elon has predicted self driving dates (wrongly), not promised them. A predict

by natch 5y ago

- Nothing BS about the first link. - The second one has been debunked repeatedly. Elon has predicted self driving dates (wrongly), not promised them. A prediction is not a promise. Mercedes is two years late on this "promise" too if we're doing that. Sure, Elon has been making his wrong predictions for more years, but now Mercedes is copying him: https://www.wired.com/2017/04/mercedes-promises-self-driving-taxis-just-three-years/ https://www.wired.com/2017/04/mercedes-promises-self-driving...

clouddrover 5y ago
> Nothing BS about the first link. So your claim is that Teslas had "the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver" five years ago, conveniently ignoring the fact that the hardware has changed multiple times since then and even more conveniently ignoring the fact that Tesla still doesn't have a full self-driving product. Sorry, but that's bullshit. > The second one has been debunked repeatedly So your claim is that there are 1 million Tesla robotaxis operating on the roads right now. This too is plainly bullshit. Clearly Tesla's advertising has worked on you. The advertising has worked so well that you're fully bought into the bullshit to the point of irrationality.
- natch 5y ago
  It’s not about me, it’s more about overinterpreting statements. News flash: Elon can be wrong, has been wrong, will be wrong. This is not news, even to his fans. Taxi timeline was a prediction, not a promise. Elon. Can. Be. Wrong. Hardware is not software. The hardware working depends on software that is not done yet. Some hardware has been upgraded to be sure. The jury is still out on whether that old claim will pan out, pending future software updates. I doubt it will, but I think it was made in earnestness, not as “BS”.
  - clouddrover 5y ago
    > News flash: Elon can be wrong, has been wrong, will be wrong. So you agree: it's bullshit. > I doubt it will, but I think it was made in earnestness, not as “BS”. No, it's just bullshit. Musk's strategy is to keep telling bigger lies because there are always more suckers to fleece. His latest bullshit is the Tesla Bot.
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    - natch 5y ago
      I said nothing of the sort. This is not productive if you’re going to do that.

by natch 5y ago

clouddrover 5y ago

> Nothing BS about the first link. So your claim is that Teslas had "the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver" five years ago, conveniently ignoring the fact that the hardware has changed multiple times since then and even more conveniently ignoring the fact that Tesla still doesn't have a full self-driving product. Sorry, but that's bullshit. > The second one has been debunked repeatedly So your claim is that there are 1 million Tesla robotaxis operating on the roads right now. This too is plainly bullshit. Clearly Tesla's advertising has worked on you. The advertising has worked so well that you're fully bought into the bullshit to the point of irrationality.

natch 5y ago
It’s not about me, it’s more about overinterpreting statements. News flash: Elon can be wrong, has been wrong, will be wrong. This is not news, even to his fans. Taxi timeline was a prediction, not a promise. Elon. Can. Be. Wrong. Hardware is not software. The hardware working depends on software that is not done yet. Some hardware has been upgraded to be sure. The jury is still out on whether that old claim will pan out, pending future software updates. I doubt it will, but I think it was made in earnestness, not as “BS”.
- clouddrover 5y ago
  > News flash: Elon can be wrong, has been wrong, will be wrong. So you agree: it's bullshit. > I doubt it will, but I think it was made in earnestness, not as “BS”. No, it's just bullshit. Musk's strategy is to keep telling bigger lies because there are always more suckers to fleece. His latest bullshit is the Tesla Bot.
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  - natch 5y ago
    I said nothing of the sort. This is not productive if you’re going to do that.