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U.N. Investigator Accuses Israel of Apartheid

53 points by caaqil 5y ago

AHappyCamper 5y ago
woleium 5y ago
My first reaction was "good, it's about time". I realse that there is no way I will ever understand the nuances of what's gone on or going on in that area, but it does seem clear that there is an opressor - opresee relationship.
- emko7 5y ago
woleium 5y ago
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albertopv 5y ago
No news to anyone who has followed Israel Palestine situation. I understand Israel danger feelings, they are surrounded since 1948 when they took Palestinians land. Since then they are THE oppressor, no questions. I really hate west (well, USA mostly) support so much Israel. What I hate most is that you can't say anything to Israel without being pointed as anti zionist.
- kcplate 5y ago
  > sinde 1948 when they took Palestinians land I think the word “took” is a bit misleading here. The region was split and Jews were “given” the land by the UN to begin after UK’s colonial charter ended in 1948. You can certainly blame expansionist policies on Israel after that resolution 181, but that initial establishment of Israel was wholly a function of the established world governance of the time.
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  - olliej 5y ago
    The land was taken from the people who lived there and given to another group, the receiving group then made the original inhabitants at best 2nd class citizens. They may not have “taken” the land, but they happily received it knowing it had been robbed from the inhabitants. They could have tried to make things right, but instead the Israeli government went all in on apartheid and right wing and religious extremism. The Israeli government now spends considerable amounts of money doing to Palestinians what they accuse other countries of doing to Jews. It’s also well established that knowingly taking possession of stolen property makes you a criminal participant in the theft. It’s telling that even Jews outside of Israel frequently do not like Israel despite it ostensibly being the “Jewish state”
    - kcplate 5y ago
      >but they happily received it knowing it had been robbed from the inhabitants Sure…they happily received it right after Adolf Hitler decided to try and rid the world of the Jewish people and managed to kill more than a third of all Jews and 2/3 of the Jews in Europe. So having a Jewish state seemed like that might make the likelihood of some other bad actor finishing the genocide a bit less likely. Then, literally before the ink was dry the rhetoric started and the bullets started flying and the nations around that Jewish state made it their stated mission to finish off the remaining Jewish people. I’m not Jewish, but it’s not hard to imagine they might be inclined to take a bit of a hard survival stance considering their history of now multiple nations and people hellbent on your genocide for the last 90 years.
      - olliej 5y ago
        That sounds like a reason for them to be given part of Germany, not Palestine. The bulk of the anti-semitic drive in modern Middle East is a result of the creation of Israel and the way the Israeli government treats Palestinians.

53 points by caaqil 5y ago

My first reaction was "good, it's about time". I realse that there is no way I will ever understand the nuances of what's gone on or going on in that area, but it does seem clear that there is an opressor - opresee relationship.

emko7 5y ago

woleium 5y ago

https://archive.is/gF1g3 https://archive.is/gF1g3

albertopv 5y ago

No news to anyone who has followed Israel Palestine situation. I understand Israel danger feelings, they are surrounded since 1948 when they took Palestinians land. Since then they are THE oppressor, no questions. I really hate west (well, USA mostly) support so much Israel. What I hate most is that you can't say anything to Israel without being pointed as anti zionist.

kcplate 5y ago
> sinde 1948 when they took Palestinians land I think the word “took” is a bit misleading here. The region was split and Jews were “given” the land by the UN to begin after UK’s colonial charter ended in 1948. You can certainly blame expansionist policies on Israel after that resolution 181, but that initial establishment of Israel was wholly a function of the established world governance of the time.
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- olliej 5y ago
  The land was taken from the people who lived there and given to another group, the receiving group then made the original inhabitants at best 2nd class citizens. They may not have “taken” the land, but they happily received it knowing it had been robbed from the inhabitants. They could have tried to make things right, but instead the Israeli government went all in on apartheid and right wing and religious extremism. The Israeli government now spends considerable amounts of money doing to Palestinians what they accuse other countries of doing to Jews. It’s also well established that knowingly taking possession of stolen property makes you a criminal participant in the theft. It’s telling that even Jews outside of Israel frequently do not like Israel despite it ostensibly being the “Jewish state”
  - kcplate 5y ago
    >but they happily received it knowing it had been robbed from the inhabitants Sure…they happily received it right after Adolf Hitler decided to try and rid the world of the Jewish people and managed to kill more than a third of all Jews and 2/3 of the Jews in Europe. So having a Jewish state seemed like that might make the likelihood of some other bad actor finishing the genocide a bit less likely. Then, literally before the ink was dry the rhetoric started and the bullets started flying and the nations around that Jewish state made it their stated mission to finish off the remaining Jewish people. I’m not Jewish, but it’s not hard to imagine they might be inclined to take a bit of a hard survival stance considering their history of now multiple nations and people hellbent on your genocide for the last 90 years.
    - olliej 5y ago
      That sounds like a reason for them to be given part of Germany, not Palestine. The bulk of the anti-semitic drive in modern Middle East is a result of the creation of Israel and the way the Israeli government treats Palestinians.