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You realise that even Lenin, piece of human filth that he was, didn't consider the USSR to be communism? That's just not what the word means. The USSR was (pick

You realise that even Lenin, piece of human filth that he was, didn't consider the USSR to be communism? That's just not what the word means. The USSR was (pick one): - A Marxist-Leninist state - State capitalism - Bolshevism I don't care much about the terminology, but I do care about people making out that most left-wingers want more USSR. I mean, I'm an anarchist, so if I were alive in the USSR I'd be murdered, so that should tell you the level of friendliness between those people and libertarian socialists.

CryptoPunk 5y ago
Any society where Marxist doctrines came to predominate ended up suffering for it. We can quibble over what you call the USSR, but Marxism is simply a-economical, and causes unimaginable human suffering to the extent that laws are shaped by it.
- beaconstudios 5y ago
  You can literally just switch out corporations with cooperatives to make a market socialist economy. Marxist "doctrines" also led to 5 day 8 hour working weeks, paid leave, unions led to increased wages, and many other workers rights. Hell, before the left wing gained power, child labour was predominant in capitalist economies.
  - CryptoPunk 5y ago
    If cooperatives were as efficient as corporations, they would win out in the free market, with consumers choosing their products over those produced by corporations. Repressing the free market necessarily means preventing the most efficient means of production/coordination from becoming predominant, based on crude ideologically motivated narratives about how an economy is supposed to work. >>Marxist "doctrines" also led to 5 day 8 hour working weeks, paid leave, unions led to increased wages, and many other workers rights. Hell, before the left wing gained power, child labour was predominant in capitalist economies. No it didn't. All of those things emerged as a result of the rising levels of per capita GDP that were due to profit-motivated investment in a free market. Child labor could only be abandoned when productivity increases enabled parents to support their whole family alone, and that productivity increase was, again, a consequence of profit-motivated investment in a free market.

CryptoPunk 5y ago

Any society where Marxist doctrines came to predominate ended up suffering for it. We can quibble over what you call the USSR, but Marxism is simply a-economical, and causes unimaginable human suffering to the extent that laws are shaped by it.

beaconstudios 5y ago
You can literally just switch out corporations with cooperatives to make a market socialist economy. Marxist "doctrines" also led to 5 day 8 hour working weeks, paid leave, unions led to increased wages, and many other workers rights. Hell, before the left wing gained power, child labour was predominant in capitalist economies.
- CryptoPunk 5y ago
  If cooperatives were as efficient as corporations, they would win out in the free market, with consumers choosing their products over those produced by corporations. Repressing the free market necessarily means preventing the most efficient means of production/coordination from becoming predominant, based on crude ideologically motivated narratives about how an economy is supposed to work. >>Marxist "doctrines" also led to 5 day 8 hour working weeks, paid leave, unions led to increased wages, and many other workers rights. Hell, before the left wing gained power, child labour was predominant in capitalist economies. No it didn't. All of those things emerged as a result of the rising levels of per capita GDP that were due to profit-motivated investment in a free market. Child labor could only be abandoned when productivity increases enabled parents to support their whole family alone, and that productivity increase was, again, a consequence of profit-motivated investment in a free market.