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I am curious about the "authentic" part. My wife shows me her favourite daily tiktoks and they all seem... Distilled and optimized and high density, well resear

I am curious about the "authentic" part. My wife shows me her favourite daily tiktoks and they all seem... Distilled and optimized and high density, well researched or naturally selected and evolved. Their "authenticity" seems almost desperately infused. Like twitter posts, optimized for engagement in 160chars (I find Washington post and random tatoo artist tweets have same medium-indiced optinized feel), after a few of them, all tiktoks seem to have the same feel and optimization. They're uncanny valley of authenticity, influencers and singers and actors and wives struggling so very very hard to seem amiable and authentic and real based on same evolving playbook, and I feel too weirded out after 30s or so to keep watching :O.

meibo 5y ago
I think the thing that makes TikTok successful is that it's so uniquely tuned to whoever owns the account, and that it catches up with your personal interests and preferences very quickly. Your experience on TikTok is probably going to be a lot different to your wife's, at least this has been the case for us.
zippergz 5y ago
TikTok’s super power is tailoring the feed to the user, so this uncanny valley stuff is what your wife likes.
- danielvaughn 5y ago
  It really is wild. You can decide exactly what you want to be shown by how long you spend on a video. You can literally feel the algorithm working alongside you, like you're using river currents while paddling in a kayak. Fucking crazy.
crubier 5y ago
Important reminder: don’t talk too much publicly about your (wife’s) TikTok feed, because it says more about you than you’d think. I’ve seen so many people complain that “tiktok keeps showing them young girls dancing” lol.
- dougmwne 5y ago
  This is spot on. One person I know gets pimple popping on a fresh TikTok feed within minutes. I have no idea how the algorithm can converge on that so fast, but its certainly some dark NN magic.
- Kye 5y ago
  The hard truth. I don't use TikTok right now, but this is the kind of stuff I would see: https://twitter.com/Vomit_Dragon/status/1506109341484474370 https://twitter.com/Vomit_Dragon/status/1506109341484474370 https://twitter.com/WatsyTheOtt/status/1507646007294631941 https://twitter.com/WatsyTheOtt/status/1507646007294631941 https://twitter.com/thecoopertom/status/1507592587426906114 https://twitter.com/thecoopertom/status/1507592587426906114 https://twitter.com/tealeafraccoon/status/1507350038074245123 https://twitter.com/tealeafraccoon/status/150735003807424512... Some of it is actually from TikTok.
- sizzle 5y ago
  I don’t understand, what does this signal about you personally?
  - norlytho 5y ago
    Nothing. Crubier is just an absolute clown that doesn't understand Global and Demographic algorithms also exist, and prioritize pushing content that other people have watched for long and consistent periods.
  - Micoloth 5y ago
    That you (consciously or not) like young dancing girls This might not be a problem, of course, but in other situations might be something you don’t want to make public?
    - Method-X 5y ago
      To be fair, assuming he’s a heterosexual male, isn’t it just assumed he would like young dancing girls?
adamrezich 5y ago
my fiancée is hopelessly addicted to TikTok and just about everything she shows me from there is wholly devoid of actual authenticity—it's all fake as hell. "cute" moments between couples that were obviously staged and rehearsed instead of being impromptu as implied, young mom's desperately making a big deal out of everything their kids do because she needs Content for the Channel, and more. I kind of get the feeling that we are passing or have passed some threshold where many, possibly most people can no longer identify Actual Authenticity due to social media overexposure, and I for one find this distressing.
- danielvaughn 5y ago
  I agree. Especially with younger people, you can really tell they're pushing their faces to display the right amount of emotion.
- dahdum 5y ago
  The staged relationship content is just another niche on TikTok. I skip that content almost immediately so it’s rare for the algo to surface any, but it’s popular because enough people really enjoy it. The same type of content is on YouTube and other platforms.
- wkrause 5y ago
  I don’t know, we’ve had staged content presented as reality for a long time(ie almost all “reality” tv) and we seem to be doing ok. The TikTok content you’re describing doesn’t feel terribly different from that.
sizzle 5y ago
“Naturally selected and evolved” Wow I never thought of this applied to algorithms and AI. Very profound to think about in this context, of users selecting the best videos with their clicks and evolving the naturally selected videos to out compete the other videos, in the same vein as survival of the fittest.

meibo 5y ago

I think the thing that makes TikTok successful is that it's so uniquely tuned to whoever owns the account, and that it catches up with your personal interests and preferences very quickly. Your experience on TikTok is probably going to be a lot different to your wife's, at least this has been the case for us.

zippergz 5y ago

TikTok’s super power is tailoring the feed to the user, so this uncanny valley stuff is what your wife likes.

danielvaughn 5y ago
It really is wild. You can decide exactly what you want to be shown by how long you spend on a video. You can literally feel the algorithm working alongside you, like you're using river currents while paddling in a kayak. Fucking crazy.

crubier 5y ago

Important reminder: don’t talk too much publicly about your (wife’s) TikTok feed, because it says more about you than you’d think. I’ve seen so many people complain that “tiktok keeps showing them young girls dancing” lol.

dougmwne 5y ago
This is spot on. One person I know gets pimple popping on a fresh TikTok feed within minutes. I have no idea how the algorithm can converge on that so fast, but its certainly some dark NN magic.
Kye 5y ago
The hard truth. I don't use TikTok right now, but this is the kind of stuff I would see: https://twitter.com/Vomit_Dragon/status/1506109341484474370 https://twitter.com/Vomit_Dragon/status/1506109341484474370 https://twitter.com/WatsyTheOtt/status/1507646007294631941 https://twitter.com/WatsyTheOtt/status/1507646007294631941 https://twitter.com/thecoopertom/status/1507592587426906114 https://twitter.com/thecoopertom/status/1507592587426906114 https://twitter.com/tealeafraccoon/status/1507350038074245123 https://twitter.com/tealeafraccoon/status/150735003807424512... Some of it is actually from TikTok.
sizzle 5y ago
I don’t understand, what does this signal about you personally?
- norlytho 5y ago
  Nothing. Crubier is just an absolute clown that doesn't understand Global and Demographic algorithms also exist, and prioritize pushing content that other people have watched for long and consistent periods.
- Micoloth 5y ago
  That you (consciously or not) like young dancing girls This might not be a problem, of course, but in other situations might be something you don’t want to make public?
  - Method-X 5y ago
    To be fair, assuming he’s a heterosexual male, isn’t it just assumed he would like young dancing girls?

adamrezich 5y ago

my fiancée is hopelessly addicted to TikTok and just about everything she shows me from there is wholly devoid of actual authenticity—it's all fake as hell. "cute" moments between couples that were obviously staged and rehearsed instead of being impromptu as implied, young mom's desperately making a big deal out of everything their kids do because she needs Content for the Channel, and more. I kind of get the feeling that we are passing or have passed some threshold where many, possibly most people can no longer identify Actual Authenticity due to social media overexposure, and I for one find this distressing.

danielvaughn 5y ago
I agree. Especially with younger people, you can really tell they're pushing their faces to display the right amount of emotion.
dahdum 5y ago
The staged relationship content is just another niche on TikTok. I skip that content almost immediately so it’s rare for the algo to surface any, but it’s popular because enough people really enjoy it. The same type of content is on YouTube and other platforms.
wkrause 5y ago
I don’t know, we’ve had staged content presented as reality for a long time(ie almost all “reality” tv) and we seem to be doing ok. The TikTok content you’re describing doesn’t feel terribly different from that.

sizzle 5y ago

“Naturally selected and evolved” Wow I never thought of this applied to algorithms and AI. Very profound to think about in this context, of users selecting the best videos with their clicks and evolving the naturally selected videos to out compete the other videos, in the same vein as survival of the fittest.